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#1 30 MAY 2008 at 6:00am
SAM Space Cadet Posts : 148 Joined: 13 FEB 2004 Status : Online	I have a small mini-laptop that doesn't have a CD drive built in (must drag around an external CD drive) I'm looking for some suggestions for games that do not need the cd's. Is the correct term "complete install" ? (so that the cd's are not needed to play the games) Thanks SAM
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#2 30 MAY 2008 at 6:25am
SAM Space Cadet Posts : 148 Joined: 13 FEB 2004 Status : Online	Sorry, last sentence didn't come out like I intended. So after you install the game, no CD is needed to play.
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#3 30 MAY 2008 at 7:19am
pavel4444 Space Cadet Posts : 124 Joined: 2 MAY 2008 Status : Online	Collection vol1 Next Life
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#4 30 MAY 2008 at 7:43am
pollodiablo Sorcerer Apprentice Posts : 295 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Offline	Agatha Christie Evil Under the Sun (pretty much any game from The Adventure Company, I think) Beta-tester of 'The Path', 'Rhiannon', 'Scratches', 'Hope Springs Eternal', 'Time Stand Still', 'Frasse and the Peas of Kejick', '1893: A World's Fair Mystery', 'Carte Blanche' and 'Oakhaven Plantation' a.o.&&
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#5 30 MAY 2008 at 1:18pm
alkis21 Schattenjger Posts : 2112 Joined: 23 OCT 2002 Location: GR Status : Offline	Diamonds in the Rough. Do you like classic adventure games? Check out Diamonds in the Rough!
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#6 30 MAY 2008 at 1:23pm
DangerousDave Intergalactic Janitor Posts : 54 Joined: 31 MAR 2008 Status : Online	why dont u just put a no cd patch on after you have installed it? thats what i do for every game I install. Its all legal and stuff.
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#7 30 MAY 2008 at 1:24pm
papillon Sorcerer Apprentice Posts : 340 Joined: 3 JUL 2003 Status : Online	Obviously, any game you buy as a download won't need a CD in, but that only works if you have a fast internet connection to that laptop. Still, if you do, you might consider buying adventures from BigFishGames, if you buy a lot of them you can get them really cheap. [url=http://whineaboutgames.blogspot.com]I Whine About Games[/url]&&&&[url=http://www.hanakogames.com]Anime Games[/url]
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#8 30 MAY 2008 at 2:35pm
Mr Innocent. Journeyman Posts : 1317 Joined: 15 JAN 2008 Location: GR Status : Offline	why dont u just put a no cd patch on after you have installed it? thats what i do for every game I install. Its all legal and stuff. This is what I do too or I'd go mad with cd changing with all the games I have installed at the same time, but strictly speaking, it is not legal. Most EULA forbid it, and we agree we won't do it when we impatiently click "i accept the terms and conditions" button to get to the game we just bought.
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#9 30 MAY 2008 at 2:50pm
avatar_58 Private Detective Posts : 403 Joined: 27 MAY 2008 Status : Online	*Originally Posted By nik2008ofs (30 MAY 2008 2:34pm)* [ This is what I do too or I'd go mad with cd changing with all the games I have installed at the same time, but strictly speaking, it is not legal. Most EULA forbid it, and we agree we won't do it when we impatiently click "i accept the terms and conditions" button to get to the game we just bought. Maybe not legal, but I don't feel any moral obligation to go through with their protection methods. I mean I did pay for the game, and I will not copy it. So I don't see the problem.
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#10 30 MAY 2008 at 2:57pm
Mr Innocent. Journeyman Posts : 1317 Joined: 15 JAN 2008 Location: GR Status : Offline	We aren't free to break laws we don't see the point of, or that inconvenience us. Only in this case we are, so most of us do... At any rate, it is only right to inform those that believe it is legal that it is not so, so they can make informed decisions.
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#11 30 MAY 2008 at 2:59pm
Ivinia Guild Master Posts : 4459 Joined: 7 JUN 2003 Location: US Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By avatar_58 (30 MAY 2008 2:50pm)* Maybe not legal, but I don't feel any moral obligation to go through with their protection methods. I mean I did pay for the game, and I will not copy it. So I don't see the problem. Same here. I'm going through this right now with a $200 program. My original hard drive took a dive so I have a new one and had to reinstall everything. Well, turn's out the CD key for this one is on some CD case "somewhere" in this place. Considering I have a about a thousand games/programs (all store bought) on CDs with cases that are scattered in drawers, closets and boxes it means I have some serious searching to do. This is the curse of installing things and laying the CD in my desk drawer and not putting it back in it's case. Every other high end utility program I have has a label not just on the CD case, but on the reference manual as well - but not this one! >
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#12 30 MAY 2008 at 3:02pm
JKing Schattenjger Posts : 2349 Joined: 4 MAY 2008 Location: 0 Status : Offline	In Canada copyright law explicitly allows a person to make a copy of media for personal use (ie. backup purposes), so often using cracked executables is the only way for a "copy" to be a useful backup. Potentially the stipulations of copyright law void relevant parts of software license agreements, but I'm not aware of this ever having been tested in court. You can't kill someone in a studio.
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#13 30 MAY 2008 at 3:05pm
avatar_58 Private Detective Posts : 403 Joined: 27 MAY 2008 Status : Online	*Originally Posted By JKing (30 MAY 2008 3:01pm)* In Canada copyright law explicitly allows a person to make a copy of media for personal use (ie. backup purposes), so often using cracked executables is the only way for a "copy" to be a useful backup. Potentially the stipulations of copyright law void relevant parts of software license agreements, but I'm not aware of this ever having been tested in court. I wouldn't bother trying, you wouldn't win. The way I see it I won't lose sleep over it, so why worry. Most devs understand that this goes on, but they must include the protection to avoid piracy. Not that it helps any. Steam is a good middle ground. No cds needed. Of course it's all up to how you feel about online authentication.
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#14 30 MAY 2008 at 4:47pm
SAM Space Cadet Posts : 148 Joined: 13 FEB 2004 Status : Online	Dangerous Dave said "Why dont you just get a no CD patch" Sorry if this sounds silly, but where do you get a no CD patch? Is it something you must download? Will this convert my existing games into no CD games? Thanks SAM
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#15 30 MAY 2008 at 4:57pm
JKing Schattenjger Posts : 2349 Joined: 4 MAY 2008 Location: 0 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By avatar_58 (30 MAY 2008 3:04pm)* I wouldn't bother trying, you wouldn't win. Neither would I, believe me! It's still an interesting question, though. You can't kill someone in a studio.
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#16 30 MAY 2008 at 5:07pm
Jenny100 Guild Master Posts : 3510 Joined: 12 OCT 2002 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By SAM (30 MAY 2008 6:00am)* I have a small mini-laptop that doesn't have a CD drive built in (must drag around an external CD drive) I'm looking for some suggestions for games that do not need the cd's. I would think a bigger problem would be whether whatever the laptop uses for a video card will support the game. You can always ask Google for nocd cracks, or use emulation programs like Alcohol or Daemon-Tools.
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#17 30 MAY 2008 at 8:52pm
SirDave Guild Master Posts : 4941 Joined: 17 OCT 2002 Location: US Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By SAM (30 MAY 2008 6:00am)* I have a small mini-laptop that doesn't have a CD drive built in (must drag around an external CD drive) I'm looking for some suggestions for games that do not need the cd's. Is the correct term "complete install" ? (so that the cd's are not needed to play the games) Thanks SAM I have been doing this for years. In fact, I've installed AGs on virtually every conceivable size of mini-laptop PC starting when they first started coming out in the latter 1990s (eg. the Toshiba Libretto). BTW: Which mini-laptop do you have? This is likely going to be a subject of an article of mine in Adventure Lantern sometime this year so I'm not going to go into much detail. In brief the options are: 1) Finding programs that allow a complete install without a CD in the drive. There are a few of these- most recently The Lost Crown. The best overall example of this is Alida which doesn't even tie itself to a Registry entry. I adore developers who allow this. 2) NoCD patches. This is a great solution where a full install is allowed but a CD is required to be in the drive. A fair number of AG developers went this latter route. 3) Virtual Image programs. This is my main solution. A program such as Virtual CD will make an image of the cds/dvds which in most cases will subsitute for the physicial CD. I have been using these, likewise, since the latter 1990s. Using these methods, there is almost no AG that can't be run without CDs in the drive. Here is my view on the legal issues. I buy every single AG I have ever acquired. I will not cheat on developers on this point. They deserve fair compensation for their product. End of story. But once I've purchased that copy, I will use it in any way I see fit to play it in any way I see fit. I submit that legally, although you have to click that you accept the User License Agreement to continue with the program, that doesn't not necessarily make de facto a totally binding contract because I have purchased the program and now would not be able to use it if I didn't agree to the User License Agreement: IMO, that is not a level playing field that is usually required in a binding contract. No one can really know how much of an User License Agreement will be enforceable unless it is tested in court, but my reading of the major court cases testing this issue (ie. Fair Use) is that if one is using the program for their own use and does not make copies available to anyone else either directly or indirectly (such as putting it in a directory accessible to people on peer-to-peer networks) then based on Fair Use no court would find against my using NoCD patches or virtual image programs. The future ain't what it used to be!
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#18 30 MAY 2008 at 9:05pm
JKing Schattenjger Posts : 2349 Joined: 4 MAY 2008 Location: 0 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By SirDave (30 MAY 2008 8:51pm)* 1) Finding programs that allow a complete install without a CD in the drive. There are a few of these- most recently The Lost Crown. The best overall example of this is Alida which doesn't even tie itself to a Registry entry. I adore developers who allow this. Now I really want Alida. But I can't afford it! You can't kill someone in a studio.
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#19 30 MAY 2008 at 9:48pm
pollodiablo Sorcerer Apprentice Posts : 295 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By JKing (30 MAY 2008 9:05pm)* *Originally Posted By SirDave (30 MAY 2008 8:51pm)* 1) Finding programs that allow a complete install without a CD in the drive. There are a few of these- most recently The Lost Crown. The best overall example of this is Alida which doesn't even tie itself to a Registry entry. I adore developers who allow this. Now I really want Alida. But I can't afford it! It's in bargain bins all over Europe and costs only 3 euro or so... Beta-tester of 'The Path', 'Rhiannon', 'Scratches', 'Hope Springs Eternal', 'Time Stand Still', 'Frasse and the Peas of Kejick', '1893: A World's Fair Mystery', 'Carte Blanche' and 'Oakhaven Plantation' a.o.&&
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#20 30 MAY 2008 at 10:00pm
JKing Schattenjger Posts : 2349 Joined: 4 MAY 2008 Location: 0 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By pollodiablo (30 MAY 2008 9:48pm)* *Originally Posted By JKing (30 MAY 2008 9:05pm)* Now I really want Alida. But I can't afford it! It's in bargain bins all over Europe and costs only 3 euro or so... Unfortunately, this isn't Europe, but since I'm going out this weekend for some shopping anyway, maybe I'll have a quick look for it. You can't kill someone in a studio.
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#21 31 MAY 2008 at 12:15am
SirDave Guild Master Posts : 4941 Joined: 17 OCT 2002 Location: US Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By JKing (30 MAY 2008 10:00pm)* *Originally Posted By pollodiablo (30 MAY 2008 9:48pm)* *Originally Posted By JKing (30 MAY 2008 9:05pm)* Now I really want Alida. But I can't afford it! It's in bargain bins all over Europe and costs only 3 euro or so... Unfortunately, this isn't Europe, but since I'm going out this weekend for some shopping anyway, maybe I'll have a quick look for it. They've got Alida for $19.98 at cdaccess.com. I'm pretty sure they ship to Canada. The future ain't what it used to be!
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#22 31 MAY 2008 at 12:30am
JKing Schattenjger Posts : 2349 Joined: 4 MAY 2008 Location: 0 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By SirDave (31 MAY 2008 12:15am)* They've got Alida for $19.98 at cdaccess.com. I'm pretty sure they ship to Canada. Apparently not anymore (ie. they are sold out). Thank anyway, though. You can't kill someone in a studio.
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#23 31 MAY 2008 at 1:12am
SirDave Guild Master Posts : 4941 Joined: 17 OCT 2002 Location: US Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By JKing (31 MAY 2008 12:30am)* *Originally Posted By SirDave (31 MAY 2008 12:15am)* They've got Alida for $19.98 at cdaccess.com. I'm pretty sure they ship to Canada. Apparently not anymore (ie. they are sold out). Thank anyway, though. Are you sure? If I go there and type in Alida in the Search box, it shows that they have 38 copies! The future ain't what it used to be!
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#24 31 MAY 2008 at 1:13am
InlandAZ Guild Master Posts : 5586 Joined: 4 MAY 2007 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By JKing (31 MAY 2008 12:30am)* *Originally Posted By SirDave (31 MAY 2008 12:15am)* They've got Alida for $19.98 at cdaccess.com. I'm pretty sure they ship to Canada. Apparently not anymore (ie. they are sold out). Thank anyway, though. Maybe $0.78 is more to your liking Ebay.ca - Alida What?
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#25 31 MAY 2008 at 3:11am
SAM Space Cadet Posts : 148 Joined: 13 FEB 2004 Status : Online	Someone asked what type of mini laptop? It is a Fujitsu u810. Windows XP Tablet Games I've been able to run on it: Hoyle Card Board games Sam & Max Ep 4 A friend
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