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| 31 JUL 2008 at 2:26am |
Jenny100Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Sir Funkenstein jr. (3 JUN 2008 9:15pm)
How can JA+ give this game an 'A' and other, far better games (what about most of the 'Broken Sword' games) less grades?
Why do you think casual games should be reviewed as adventure games?
Maybe some people like both, but they're really a different genre.
They're even in a separate section on the review page -- so you shouldn't be getting them confused.
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| 8 JAN 2009 at 12:23pm |
| Deleted User | Sigh........
Build-a-lot2?
Family-Restaurant?
Turbo Subs?
Alice Greenfingers?
Is there a possibility to reduce those 'so called reviews' to 1 per every 5 adventure reviews? Or adventure related articles?
Or is it just me?
Greetzzz
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| 8 JAN 2009 at 3:43pm |
TechnoSpikePrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Only; don't write raving reviews about them, because they're not raving.
Really, Sir Funkenstein jr., you are sounding really familiar... you seem an awfully lot like those "reviewers" in the so called "mainstream" gaming review sites that bash any adventure game they are scheduled to review just because "It makes my head hurt and I'm not even allowed to have a big gun to blow stuff up, man!".....
You don't like casual games, fine, it's in your right, then pay no attention to reviews of them! I hate any kind of sport simulation games, so I don't even look to any kind of review of that type, and I live fine like that.
But pay attention that there are people that like casual games, much more than "hardcore" games (I'm putting adventure, RPG, FPS,etc in the same bag here). A begining casual gamer can eventually become a hardcore gamer also, you gotta start from somewhere!
However, going so far as insinuating that the reviewer is getting paid just because the reviwer is being somewhat overenthusiastic? Come on, lighten up! Life is too short to go on rambling like that!
TechnoSpike
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| 8 JAN 2009 at 4:10pm |
| Deleted User | I do like mainstream gaming, Technospike.
And these games are ok, when I'm bored. A lot of these can be played online and for free.
But all of this is not the issue.
You don't read reviews of adventure games in FPS sites!!!
So why read mainstream game reviews (4 in a row, for crying out loud) in an adventure site?
And why these mainstream games. There are much more interesting mainstream games to review.
And why not racing games?
Sport games?
WAR games?
Why not change the name in "Just Games"
Why.......Why.......Oh never mind. Forget it.
It's just that I thought that I had my old 'Just Adventure' back.
That's all.
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| 8 JAN 2009 at 4:56pm |
avatar_58Private Detective
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Status : Online | Your old just adventure? Last time I checked there were several non-adventure reviews in the list. Doom 3 is not an adventure. Final Fantasy X is not an adventure. Half-life 2 is NOT an adventure.
So whats the difference if they review a few casual games? They've been reviewing other genres for years, why is it all the sudden a big issue?
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| 8 JAN 2009 at 9:06pm |
karlaAdministrator
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ghost_of_sir_Funk (8 JAN 2009 12:23pm)
Sigh........
Build-a-lot2?
Family-Restaurant?
Turbo Subs?
Alice Greenfingers?
Is there a possibility to reduce those 'so called reviews' to 1 per every 5 adventure reviews? Or adventure related articles?
Or is it just me?
Greetzzz
Awwww...and here I was, thinking I'd finally won everyone over by now. I guess I'll just have to try harder tomorrow.
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| 8 JAN 2009 at 9:59pm |
CrisGerSchattenjger
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Or is it just me?
Greetzzz
mmmm, possibly it is something that is an issue for you.
we all have bells that ring, nicely or otherwise. This is a great site for Adventure game discussoin and sharing, and there are other games that connect to that or are differnt but that get reviewed here. I am fine with that, and hope to go on seeing that range here, it is very nice.
all the above is my own humble opinion and yours may vary.
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| 9 JAN 2009 at 7:24am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By avatar_58 (8 JAN 2009 4:56pm)
Your old just adventure? Last time I checked there were several non-adventure reviews in the list. Doom 3 is not an adventure. Final Fantasy X is not an adventure. Half-life 2 is NOT an adventure.
So whats the difference if they review a few casual games? They've been reviewing other genres for years, why is it all the sudden a big issue?
Hey Avater-58, if you want to compare multi-million-top-notch-in-it's-genre-games like Doom 3, Half-life 2 and FFX with these lousy-qiuck-buck games, that's up to you.
I do think it's ok if my favorite-adventure-game-site show me the ultimate top in other genres. I've never complained about that.
But this is something completely differend.
This is done for other reasons.
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| 9 JAN 2009 at 2:24pm |
avatar_58Private Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Ghost_of_sir_Funk (9 JAN 2009 7:23am)
Hey Avater-58, if you want to compare multi-million-top-notch-in-it's-genre-games like Doom 3, Half-life 2 and FFX with these lousy-qiuck-buck games, that's up to you.
I do think it's ok if my favorite-adventure-game-site show me the ultimate top in other genres. I've never complained about that.
But this is something completely differend.
This is done for other reasons.
Now you are being elitist. Just because these games are casual they don't deserve to be reviewed by JA? So who gets to decide if a game is 'worthy'? Is CSI:NY worthy? It's an adventure game but it's very much casual. What about Jane Jensen's Oberon casual games? Are they allowed? How about phenom games like Peggle that have captured both casual *and* hardcore gamers?
I think you need to step back a bit and realize this isn't your website and they'll continue to review whatever game they damn well feel like. Unfortunately if you don't like it there are several other large adventure game websites you can visit.
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| 9 JAN 2009 at 2:50pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Ghost_of_sir_Funk (9 JAN 2009 7:23am)
Originally Posted By avatar_58 (8 JAN 2009 4:56pm)
Your old just adventure? Last time I checked there were several non-adventure reviews in the list. Doom 3 is not an adventure. Final Fantasy X is not an adventure. Half-life 2 is NOT an adventure.
So whats the difference if they review a few casual games? They've been reviewing other genres for years, why is it all the sudden a big issue?
Hey Avater-58, if you want to compare multi-million-top-notch-in-it's-genre-games like Doom 3, Half-life 2 and FFX with these lousy-qiuck-buck games, that's up to you.
I do think it's ok if my favorite-adventure-game-site show me the ultimate top in other genres. I've never complained about that.
But this is something completely differend.
This is done for other reasons.
You know what, SirFunk, I know which games I am anticipating/want to play, so I look out for the names of those games. Before you started ranting about it, I never even noticed these casual game reviews.
When you read a newspaper, are you just going to read about the issues that interest you, and simply ignore the rest, or are you going to read every single item, and then write ranting letters to the editor complaining that they included articles about rugby as well, when you want only soccer; or about movies, when you want only theatre?
Don't you get it that the rest of us simply don't care, and that there are people who actually play casual games who also make use of this site. And why shouldn't they? If Randy wants to extend a service to them as well, why shouldn't he? Nobody else except you seems to mind.
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| 9 JAN 2009 at 3:11pm |
| Deleted User | Dear Avatar, you're being hostile, but since we're in the 'Hot Spot' section, it will be ok, I guess.
Also this reply from you, you're naming big budget names or names who are big in their genre (Jane) and has nothing to do with my point in this topic.
I just don't think you understand me.
And that's fine by me.
Greetzzz
And don't ask me to leave, for I can be your grandfather, since I'm a JA+ member for about 8 years (That's me and my late father sir Funkenstein Sr.)
Gloryhallastoopid, pin the tale on the Funkey.
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| 9 JAN 2009 at 3:21pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (9 JAN 2009 2:50pm)
Nobody else except you seems to mind.
I guess you're right about that, Traveler.
So if nobody replies after me, I'll leave it with that.
Thanks, Bubbah.
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| 9 JAN 2009 at 4:51pm |
avatar_58Private Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Ghost_of_sir_Funk (9 JAN 2009 3:11pm)
Dear Avatar, you're being hostile, but since we're in the 'Hot Spot' section, it will be ok, I guess.
I'm not being hostile, my apologies if it was percieved that way. (You have to understand I censor my speech here, I'd swear like a sailor if I could ) No hostility from this end I can assure you.
Also this reply from you, you're naming big budget names or names who are big in their genre (Jane) and has nothing to do with my point in this topic.
Ah but it's okay to have big named casuals, just not lesser known casuals? Why does it matter if Jane Jensen makes a 20 minutes clickfest versus a casual by say - Popcap?
Surely on an adventure forum of all places you understand the importance of ignoring popularity? It shouldn't matter if a game is well known or 'hardcore'. If it's enjoyable why not have a review? I don't agree with your insinuation that they are being paid off.
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| 9 JAN 2009 at 5:32pm |
| Deleted User |
Diner Dash 5...........another great game, worth mentioning in JA+!!!
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| 10 JAN 2009 at 4:54pm |
karlaAdministrator
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Status : Offline | Why thank you, SirFunk.
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| 10 JAN 2009 at 7:15pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Thay are not really reviews as I see it.
They are mostly advertisments for games in the JA gaming zone.
It more or less states that at the top of each review and the link at the bottom.
We thought it would be fun to review some of the casual games we currently have available in our JA Casual Game Center. Needless to say, these games are very addictive and while our enthusiastic reviews are, for the most part short, the time spent playing these games is not. Once you have read the review, drop by the JA Casual Game Center and download a free trial version of the game for yourself, but remember - you have been warned!
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 11 JAN 2009 at 1:39pm |
An_InklingSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (9 JAN 2009 2:50pm)
You know what, SirFunk, I know which games I am anticipating/want to play, so I look out for the names of those games. Before you started ranting about it, I never even noticed these casual game reviews.
Me neither. I have no interest in casual games, and do not even notice them being reviewed.
I can understand the complaint to an extent - ie. the site being cluttered up with non-core games that Funky feels are not worth the space given.
The complaint about scores or "rave reviews" is however misplaced. Casual games are not, and should not, be reviewed with reference to other genres. Just as Adventure games on this site are not reviewed with reference to games of the FPS or other genres. If they were, they'd be found sadly lacking in production values (one reason mainstream sites give AGs such low scores), just as Casuals are when compared to AGs.
Most here see those mainstream sites as poor reviewers of Adventure games because they make too many comparisons to non-AGs. If you (Funky) agree with this, then you are being hypocritical in your request for casuals to be compared with games of other genres. You need to read reviews in context. When a review of a casual game says "great game - go get it now!", it's saying: if you like Casuals, then you'll love this. I do not, so would not even consider buying it.
Who is this great burdensome slavering dog-thing that mediocres my every thought? ([i]Nick Cave - We Call Upon the Author[/i])
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| 11 JAN 2009 at 2:41pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | You know what bugs me more about the casual games is the genreal state of the main website.
The front page hasn't really changed style wise in the 5 years since I joined, http://web.archive.org/web/20030723134705/http://www.justadventure.com/ check it out. It never has been the prettiest of sites and it certainly hasn't moved with the times.
However the font and images have shrunk on the news items making it look too cluttered these days.
There are more adverts (I don't mind that, as they pay for the site), but why do we need the god awful gambling,poker and WOW gold adverts. They really do lower the tone of the site.
It's kinda like a house where the front garden is overgrown with weeds. It might be a nice house, but you are not going in to find out.
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 12 JAN 2009 at 9:02pm |
loobilooPrivate Detective
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Location: UK
Status : Offline | I've been reading this thread with interest. I don't think there is anything wrong with reviewing Casual Games on this site at all. Also some of them are now evolving into hybrids & perhaps fans of them will eventually try a full blown Adventure!
One of the nice things about Casual Games is that you normally get a free 1 hours trial (from most sites that supply them) before you decide whether to buy it or not & if you do, you can almost instantly continue playing. Also most sites offer some membership where you only end up paying a fraction of $20.00 for a game.
I think I know what you are saying, SirFunkensteinJr, about them being 'churned out' for the bucks. I can't disagree with that but at the end of the day players are enjoying these games & isn't that what it's about - also, the more games that are produced to cater, the fussier players become, so standards have to be upped! I do play some Casual games here & there (by the way Hometown Hero is not a Burger Game!) usually in the evenings after work when I don't want anything mentally taxing & find something like Hometime Hero a great stress reliever!
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| 3 APR 2009 at 5:03am |
MeghanIntergalactic Janitor
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Joined: 15 DEC 2008
Status : Online | Not to stir up an old topic, but I agree with everyone.
I don't mind the reviews for games in other genres. That's what the + is for in Just Adventure+ and I think it's a nice gesture for people that aren't total 'hardcore' adventure gamers. I thank everyone that has done a review for a game not in the adventure genre, as you are helping to make this website accommodate others' preferences.
I do, though, agree that the casual games are pricey for $20, but like people have said, there's all the clubs people can join for a cheaper price.
In my opinion, Sir Funk needs to accept that things change and either go make his own website that HE can control, or go to a strictly adventure/non casual game site..
Kinda nice to see the ex-member notice under his username
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| 4 APR 2009 at 9:18am |
JelenaPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By thesunssetsforyou (3 APR 2009 5:03am)
Kinda nice to see the ex-member notice under his username
Even though I don't post much on JA and don't know the members around here as much as I know those on Adventure Gamers forum. I do feel it's a loss when someone leaves the community because of a dispute, which I assume is what happened here. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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| 4 APR 2009 at 10:53am |
Taurnil MithrandirJourneyman
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jelena (4 APR 2009 9:18am)
Originally Posted By thesunssetsforyou (3 APR 2009 5:03am)
Kinda nice to see the ex-member notice under his username
Even though I don't post much on JA and don't know the members around here as much as I know those on Adventure Gamers forum. I do feel it's a loss when someone leaves the community because of a dispute, which I assume is what happened here. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are not wrong Jelena. (that's what I understood myself). On the contrary it's really sad and disheartening to see such breakaways of members that communicate with ppl that have the same interests. I don't want to come in this awkward position myself.
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| 4 APR 2009 at 1:07pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | I don't often look in here but what's this? Sir Funky has left JA? :'(
No more funny pictures....... No more Bubbahs..... As someone who's been here 7 years I am going to miss yet another long term member not being around anymore.....
Be happy Bubbah..... :-* :-* :-*
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| 5 APR 2009 at 8:56pm |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By eragon (4 APR 2009 10:53am)
Originally Posted By jelena (4 APR 2009 9:18am)
Originally Posted By thesunssetsforyou (3 APR 2009 5:03am)
Kinda nice to see the ex-member notice under his username
Even though I don't post much on JA and don't know the members around here as much as I know those on Adventure Gamers forum. I do feel it's a loss when someone leaves the community because of a dispute, which I assume is what happened here. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are not wrong Jelena. (that's what I understood myself). On the contrary it's really sad and disheartening to see such breakaways of members that communicate with ppl that have the same interests. I don't want to come in this awkward position myself.
Usually when this happens it's because someone got mad over *something*. I can understand just not showing up anymore, but when they feel the need to go and delete their account, it's like some child trying to get attention by lashing out and making statement against every single person on the forum. :-/
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