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| 12 FEB 2008 at 7:14pm |
Igor ArtemovSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | That's not what you expect to see on the largest adventure site.. I'd better wait and buy two copies of the upcoming Gray Matter from Anaconda, rather then give money to some lazy, mercantile guys from AC, who almost killed Jane's project and produced many crappy games like most of those five in return.
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| 12 FEB 2008 at 7:30pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Igor Artemov (12 FEB 2008 7:14pm)
That's not what you expect to see on the largest adventure site.. I'd better wait and buy two copies of the upcoming Gray Matter from Anaconda, rather then give money to some lazy, mercantile guys from AC, who almost killed Jane's project and produced many crappy games like most of those five in return.
erm, trying not to see this as a diehard, blinders-on, fanboyish comment, why exactly did you not expect to see this on the site? is it not smth that is on the market and could be of interest to adventure gamers? this is a collection of 5 mediocre to pretty good adventure games for $5 each, which is a fantastic price (and even if you have up to 3 of those it's still a good price)... i have played all those games and i know they are worth $5 each (some more, some no more)... on the other hand, where exactly can i go and see, beyond aprx 10 sshots, that gray matter will be worth the $40+ that 2 copies are going to be worth? cause i'm sure you have seen smth we haven't in order to say that gray matter will be worth $40+ when rtmi or dead reefs aren't worth $5, right? assuming of course this is not a diehard, blinders-on, fanboyish comment, cause if it is then there's no reason to be talking..... :
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 12 FEB 2008 at 7:48pm |
| Deleted User | Played only Secret Files: Tunguska from these 5 games........
So, this is a must buy for me.
(Who's Jane anyway. You don't mean Jane Jensen from the GKseries? C'mon Igor: there's also beautiful music after the Beatles and Stones. let it go. Geez.)
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| 12 FEB 2008 at 8:45pm |
Igor ArtemovSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Aya (12 FEB 2008 7:30pm)
assuming of course this is not a diehard, blinders-on, fanboyish comment, cause if it is then there's no reason to be talking..... :
I'm not a fanboy of Jensen nor Anaconda, of course. What I was trying to say, is that this is obviously an ad made for TAC (this is especially typical for the paragraph about Tunguska, which you gave a pretty fair score). Those games might cost 5$ each, but what is the point in agitating to buy mediocre to below mediocre games of the last several years, if there are plenty of ags coming out every month, and some very promising titles in the near future?
And the reason not to do this is that TAC's politics towards ags is ugly. They try to make as much money on adventure games as they can, thus killing good titles and leaving cheap, dry games like Nibiru or Forever Worlds or etc. and advertising them like a "wonderful experience" and so on. They don't want to improve anything - they just want people to buy.
Opposed to this is Anaconda, which I see as an European analog of TAC. But rather then trying to gain money from mass titles, it gives freedome to developers and new opportunities to some of them who can't find a way to express themselfs today (like Jensen, or Steve Ince, or developers of Tony Tough 2). I saw them as new messias of good adventure games, while guys at TAC will be left with their heartless titles like Agatha Christie or Dead Reefs, flat and empty.
Sir Funkenstein jr.
She will return this year, despite the fact of being rejected by TAC. And I sure hope to hear music by Robert Holmes
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| 12 FEB 2008 at 9:52pm |
InlandAZGuild Master
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Status : Offline | And the reason not to do this is that TAC's politics towards ags is ugly. They try to make as much money on adventure games as they can, thus killing good titles and leaving cheap, dry games like Nibiru or Forever Worlds or etc. and advertising them like a "wonderful experience" and so on. They don't want to improve anything - they just want people to buy.
And thank goodness we have them, or there'd be far fewer games to play- Different strokes I suppose, I enjoyed all the games in the bumdle.
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| 12 FEB 2008 at 10:18pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | ok, i see now... it wasn't a jensen fanboyish comment, but rather a tac anti-fanboyish one!
i see where you're coming from but you are missing the fact that for several years it was tac that kept the adv genre alive in north america... before some of the new publishers like lighthouse and strategy first emerged, it was tac that (almost) solely released adventure games... and with the good it is not surprising that some bad will come along... and here you got 5 mediocre (on avg), fairly new games and tac gives them to you for $5 each! that is the exact opposite of a bad publisher that disrespects the buyer... some ppl may have waited years to find some of those games in bargain bins or ebay, and now they can get them all for $5 each... and, imo, it's actually $1 each for the 4 of them, since i consider rtmi (the best of the lot) to be worth $15! the only thing wrong i find with tac is their ridiculous persistence on cds (broken in this collection) and their stupid name changes... ok, if i give it some thought i can find some mistakes they've made here and there, but this collection is definately not one... and don't forget that there are ppl who want to play those games... you may be going thru all releases in a year and want to play the absolute best 2 or 3 but others want to play more, all of them if possible, and this collection is a fantastic deal for them
as for the ja article, i don't see how exactly you extrapolated it as an ad... the collection had to be presented somewhere... most ppl don't know what is released unless they read smth about it... there could have been ppl that would go and buy dead reefs (for example) tomorrow, and thanx to this article they will save a lot of money
about anaconda, i don't agree they are the european tac for one reason: language... you mention tony tough 2 for example, but that means nothing to me since it's not in english... anaconda (and others) need to realize that european means english, period (and no, i am not a native english speaker)... you cannot expect every country to learn all the other countries' languages (try to learn some greek why don't you! ) and the worldwide language is english, whether some like it or not... so as long as anaconda keeps releasing mainly in german, they will not be considered a european publisher (i actually wish there was the exact tac equivalent in europe... all games, released at the same time, in english (or multilanguage i guess), in all european countries, for the same price - you don't see tac releasing games in texas before ohio do you?)
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 13 FEB 2008 at 1:10am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | I''ve never heard of Dead Reefs and I really fancy it but as I have 3 of the other games (2 in the unplayed pile and RTMI completed) I guess I shall have to miss out. Seems like a great idea though.
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| 13 FEB 2008 at 4:12am |
AndromusGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Good deal. I already own two of the games, though. Still looks like a worthwhile buy anyway, I think.
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| 13 FEB 2008 at 4:41am |
Terry PenrodGrand Inquisitor
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It's a GREAT deal for someone like me who has fallen woefully behind on newer PC adventures in the past few years. I haven't bought or played a single one of those titles yet and would be thrilled to pick them all up on DVD for one low price. So thanks for the link and count me in!
Cheers, Terry
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| 13 FEB 2008 at 1:07pm |
ElessarIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Sorry, but this article seems to me more an advertisement than a review...
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| 13 FEB 2008 at 8:19pm |
ShanyGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Elessar (13 FEB 2008 1:06pm)
Sorry, but this article seems to me more an advertisement than a review...
I agree. But then how do you review a collection of games that have already been reviewed?
Maybe drop the lable of 'review'? Give it a more accurate lable, and it will look alright.
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| 14 FEB 2008 at 5:57pm |
Igor ArtemovSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Aya (12 FEB 2008 10:17pm)
ok, i see now... it wasn't a jensen fanboyish comment, but rather a tac anti-fanboyish one!
Yes, more like it
As for the activity of TAC, I don't actually think it did a great job at popularization and keeping the genre alive. I guess in Europe adventures are more popular, that's why many developers nowdays prefer to develop their game for European publishers. And many titles that were published by TAC are from European developers as well (RTMI - France, Dead Reefs - Russia, Nibiru - Czech, Tunguska - Germany, for example). Americans are obviosly not interested in adventure games. There are less and less adventures coming out from TAC.
As for Anaconda, I think it's, again, the problem of American publishers that European games make a long way before they get to US. Tony Tough 2 was already published in German, Italy, Russia and France (I guess) by native publishers. I don't see why it takes so long to publish them in North America. Maybe because they are just not interested. And the game is really good, btw.
as for the ja article, i don't see how exactly you extrapolated it as an ad... the collection had to be presented somewhere... most ppl don't know what is released unless they read smth about it... there could have been ppl that would go and buy dead reefs (for example) tomorrow, and thanx to this article they will save a lot of money
If it was a "recommendation" review, Randy would try to describe the games in overall, not to quote the best parts of reviews and try to agitate to buy this collection. There were several very good titles last year (Culpa, Runaway - well, you know it better than me), and many more to come (Penumbra 2 is already out!), so I don't see why people should spend their time and money on mediocre titles..
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| 15 FEB 2008 at 6:47pm |
jenmarieIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Offline | I already have Keepsake, but I haven't played any of the others, so I'm probably going to wind up buying this. I just wish it had come out a little earlier. I just spent my Amazon gift certificate and bought 5 books plus a dvd set. Now i'm going to feel guilty buying this. (But that probably won't stop me)
"Undoubtedly, Sputnik inspired Americans, perhaps for the last time, to the idea of being frontiersmen,"&&&&For the LAST time? How depressing...&&How can we not be inspired to be frontiersmen? Let's go explore.
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