| 11 DEC 2007 at 9:21pm |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By challis3 (11 DEC 2007 5:12pm)
Before anyone apologizes.....
Funny how when confronted at GBers about using the same ip address, your "dad" never mentioned that you were his daughter. He said that FABLE was a beta tester and referred to you as a HIM.
I feel my chain getting yanked again.
Shows how much he learned after all the ado and dressing down by his fellow MS Studio developers.
Thank you Challis. After finding this post: (http://www.gameboomers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=241552#Post241552)
It would seem that once again a certain amount of BS is involved. Considering Fable is indeed a HIM apparently named Steve AND one of the developers...
Personally, I don't know who is who anymore as more names come out of the woodwork from the developers. It's all gotten pretty stupid. Not only that, but if this Fable is Steve, then he continued to post BS AFTER the supposed apology on GB where they supposedly reigned him in.
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| 11 DEC 2007 at 10:11pm |
Terry PenrodGrand Inquisitor
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Originally Posted By SirDave (11 DEC 2007 9:10pm)
Originally Posted By Terry Penrod (11 DEC 2007 8:53pm)
It read like a really bad soap opera played out by a bunch of five-year-old drama queens.
Hmmm. In all fairness to the alleged drama queens, we've had some episodes involving a fair amount of drama here at JA for reasons not all that different in substance from what occurred at GB. I know; I've taken part.
True Dave but most of the long, heated threads we have had here were about fairly serious topics in the old P&R section and I don't recall any that got such a large number of petty, angry, kneejerk responses from so many different members.
The worst cases were the result of ongoing personal conflicts between long-standing JA forumites that derailed (mostly) worthwhile discussions and yes, both of us fell into that trap a number of times.
Hopefully, we have all learned from those distasteful experiences.
Cheers, Terry
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| 11 DEC 2007 at 11:42pm |
Jenny100Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ivinia (11 DEC 2007 9:21pm)
Thank you Challis. After finding this post: (http://www.gameboomers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=241552#Post241552)
It would seem that once again a certain amount of BS is involved. Considering Fable is indeed a HIM apparently named Steve AND one of the developers...
Personally, I don't know who is who anymore as more names come out of the woodwork from the developers. It's all gotten pretty stupid. Not only that, but if this Fable is Steve, then he continued to post BS AFTER the supposed apology on GB where they supposedly reigned him in.
I thought there were 3 of them -- Tim, Laurence, and Steve.
This interview mentions all three
http://www.quandaryland.com/jsp/dispArticle.jsp?index=795
Tim has posted as Motrau.
Laurence has posted as Laurie46.
Then there's MSTUDIOS and FABLE...
MSTUDIOS seems to be Steve.
I have no idea who or what FABLE is, but I wouldn't believe anything he/she/it posts.
Limbo of the Lost is getting plenty of recommendations from the gamers who have started to play it over at Gameboomers. A few Gameboomers bought Limbo of the Lost online from a source on ebay. Apparently it was released in Singapore, and a seller with a shop there is selling them on ebay. I've read nothing but good things about Limbo of the Lost from long time Gameboomers who find it fascinating. So there's no reason to take FABLE's word for the quality of the game, or anything else.
Inferno still recommends the game, though she feels her review is now compromised and it will probably never see the light of day thanks to FABLE.
Anyway, if anyone can't wait until February or whenever to play it, the ebay seller seems to still have a few copies available.
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| 11 DEC 2007 at 11:50pm |
| Deleted User | I have participated in about 40 beta-tests (and around the same number of walkthroughs). In the course of these I have been blessed & honored with getting to know (frequently very closely & personally) dozens of marvelous different Developers... who to date, without a single exception, have been amongst the most wonderful and decent people I've ever known.
In addition, during the course of the abovementioned work for very many years, I've had quite a lot of experience of NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreements) and other less legal but morally binding personal mutual agreements involving different sorts of discretion (which I won't list for obvious reasons)!
It's possible that the Project leader of LotL is the very first exception to my 'decency' experiences mentioned above. I have no idea, since I've had nothing whatsoever to do with the game and know nothing at all about it or ANY of the people involved in it!
~~ SirDave ~~... I just feel betrayed by INFERNO after we both agreed not to do any spoilers or walkthroughs, then she posts the spoilers.
For me, your above extract is the crux of the matter... all the rest, from both sides, is IMHO B.S. & childish trivialities including some mud throwings.
If the Developer actually made a mutual agreement as above and infernoj13usa broke it, I would understand his anger and accusations.
I have no evidence, but my purely gut feeling is that he may (??) have agreed with her not to post a walkthrough, but probably made no mention of posting helpful hints including spoilers.
In that case I would have expected infernoj13usa to simply point this out in a reply-post and put it down to a misunderstanding… and then the Developer apologizing ------ total end of the matter without any vindictiveness on any side!
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| 12 DEC 2007 at 12:34am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By LenG (11 DEC 2007 11:50pm)
If the Developer actually made a mutual agreement as above and infernoj13usa broke it, I would understand his anger and accusations. I have no evidence, but my purely gut feeling is that he may (??) have agreed with her not to post a walkthrough, but probably made no mention of posting helpful hints including spoilers.
In that case I would have expected infernoj13usa to simply point this out in a reply-post and put it down to a misunderstanding… and then the Developer apologizing ------ total end of the matter without any vindictiveness on any side!
Len, you're one of my favorite people, but I can't help but get the feeling that you're pointing the finger more at Inferno than not when the evidence is so clearly in her favor. If you read through that thread, it is not just a possibility, but a certainty that Inferno had no idea that this 'FABLE' was actually associated with the developer or the developer himself during the formative stages of this episode. FABLE was passing him/herself off as as a player entranced with the game and out of the goodness of him/herself's heart helping Inferno with the game in preparation for a review. Any comments over writing or not writing a walkthrough or posting hints were purely in the realm of opinions between the two of them; not an understanding between a reviewer and a developer.
Bottom line: At no time was this a developer who had made it clear what the rules were concerning a walkthrough or hints: According to Inferno, the game arrived for review, end of story- and I believe her. Besides there would be no incentive for Inferno who has done several reviews to knowingly go against the expressed wishes of the developer of a game she was reviewing and AFAIK there is no history of this sort of arrogance with reviewers over at GB anyway. This is an issue of fairness and if there was room for doubt, I'd be the first to give it, but there isn't.
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| 12 DEC 2007 at 2:00am |
| Deleted User | ~~SirDave ~~ ... Len, you're one of my favorite people, but I can't help but get the feeling that you're pointing the finger more at Inferno than not when the evidence is so clearly in her favor.
Thanks for your kind words which I fully reciprocate.
However I was not at all pointing a finger at Inferno.
It seems established that this "FABLE" creature is some sort of beta-tester, not reliable (or possibly honest) and that he had no right to speak for the 3 Developers of the game... and all his many remarks should be totally ignored together with all the member-posts refuting his (maybe her) opinions
It would appear that s(he) has been the cause of all or most of the trouble &/or unpleasantnesses. Goodness knows what motive(s) this person had ... maybe to deliberately stir up trouble... you NEVER know !!
I have just flipped through that thread for the very last time. I think I saw 2 pairs of 2 posts each ONLY from MSTUDIOS (Mr. Steve Bovis who is apparently the game's Project Director).
I have to date never yet come across a Developer who deliberately lies and blatantly, and I've worked with very many ... maybe he's an exception; I just don't know.
I don't know Inferno personally but EVERYTHING I've read & heard about her is extremely positive !!
So I am not in any position to act as judge on either of them.
But it sounds to me, in ignorance, as a misunderstanding and maybe a case of crossed lines causing a situation that the Bard would have described as “Full of sound & fury ……… signifying nothing!”… and hence this will be my absolute last post on this subject.
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| 12 DEC 2007 at 2:46am |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Not sure where you get that from Len. According to the post by Laurie on GB they said:
First let me point out that I as was Tim extremely unhappy with the way that Steve behaved. I would like to extend our sincere apologies for the ensuing results. Steves views in no way reflect my own. Unfortunately Steves drive and passion can sometimes get the better of him.
I myself understand that part of the fun in playing adventure games is to share titbits of information. This is what brings communities together and keeps the industry going.
Limbo took a long time to develope and I can assure it was worth it. It would be a shame to deprive people the pleasure to play just because of a hot headed developer,
Once again I can only apologise on behalf of Majestic Studios and suffice to say someone is in the dog house hahahah
That all seems to indicate that Steve IS Fable and one of the developers. Not sure where you might have thought that Fable was some beta tester.
Of course seeing that hahahah again from this post by Laurence makes me wonder if it isn't Fable yet again. This whole thing is beyond ridiculous and no one knows who is who anymore. Limbo of the Lost might be a really good game too, but instead of Majestic looking like a solid company and a force to be noticed, this whole thing has made them look like a bunch misfits who have no idea what they are doing.
As far as the Inferno thing, you yourself noted that everything you hear about her is extremely positive. She's been steadfast in her support of AG developers, indies, AND players. If you can't understand why people got up in arms over someone trying to rake her over the coals ESPECIALLY when she was trying to help them, then I don't know what to say.
Sure, it was all dead and buried or so we thought, then Fable came on to JA and started the same deceptive routine. It defies logic.
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| 12 DEC 2007 at 1:56pm |
MSTUDIOSIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Hi all,
I have just read these posts, let me for the last time (I tried on GB but my sign on was blocked) iron this out, (yes it is Steve not FABLE) FABLE is my daughters sign on to here and Quandary and GB (Well it was).
I at the time did not have a sign on so I used hers to send a few posts to Inferno regarding help for the review, she (my daughter) also posted on the forum. Together me, Inferno and my daughter Laura worked for about a week on giving hints to help Inferno play the game so she could do the review. In amongst this I did state on the forum before hand that the review would not contain any spoilers, of which I got a smack on the wrist to even think such a thing from one of the moderators. I apologised and started working with Inferno via private messsages, these contained posts of all of us agreeing that no walkthorugh or spoilers should be printed as this would hurt the gameplay and experience. As you can read for yourself the exact opposite happened before the review was planned and I (Steve) made a point of it to Inferno privately but got no answer, so I posted on the main forum under FABLE, the whole thing is a storm in a tea cup and blown out of proportion. I have even apologised to Inferno privately and sent an email to one of the moderators explaining all this - But it never got posted. (I could not do it as I had no sign on)
What you all should realise is this was a world exclusive review on GameBoomers only and the thanks I got was lets show spoilers of the game from help we provided. This worldwide exclusive review is now in the hands of Aya from JA who is only too happy to write it, write it I might add with the total understanding of no walkthroughs and spoilers. My daughter (FABLE) came on this forum (yes she did help beta test the game) to just point out a couple of outlets to get the game nothing more.
Here also for the cynical is the email I wrote to GB moderator - (can we now get on with enjoying adventure games, rather than waste energy and time pointing fingers please!"
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Hi Becky,
I have read the forum replies and I wish to put the record straight and have the chance to explain rather than people making up their own comments as to what went on and create a rumour machine out of your good forum - If you will allow me..........
Firstly and most importantly I wish to apologise to Inferno publicly that because of my disappointment regarding spoilers so early on and from her not from gamers, I wrongly expressed my feelings and directed them at her (I am a very passionate person and you must understand that this project has been my baby for a very long time now, over 10 years!). This was unforgivable and I understand the back lash that came from it, I ask for no forgiveness by anyone only the understanding that I was in the wrong. Inferno I did send you a private apology message and was going to send you one on the forum but my sign-on - MSTUDIOS got barred, so did my daughters - FABLE.
This leads me onto my next point to clear up, FABLE was my daughters sign-on to GAMERBOOMERS she playtested the game, did voice acting and gave feedback on many game sites and forums, yours included. I used this sign-on (with her permission) to help Inferno as I initially (rightly or wrongly) wanted Inferno to get help with the game for the review but not want her to feel beholden or bias to Majestic in any way, myself and my daughter did this together in shifts to cover the time difference from the UK to the USA over a course of a week, which I might add worked very well.
Using MSTUDIOS as the sign-on for this process I fear would of clouded the issue, this was apparently obvious from posts regarding two sign-on's with the same IP address, I did explain this and have done in more detail here. So now you all know the truth behind this, no mystery, no deviousness and definitely not the reasons some members thought and expressed in their posts, again I can see how and why these came about even though they helped no one and just added fuel to the fire.
The other topic which was locked was the competition to win a copy of the game, I expressly asked permission from the Administrator and Moderators before going any further and did not realise you do not have competitions on your forum, again very sorry for this post, my intentions were of the same thought as sending a free copy to Dyl'smom when she had issues getting it from G2 Games. I hope you received it and are enjoying it Dyl'smom.
I hope you will print this email on the forum as I wish no bad feeling to any GameBoomer, on the contrary the game was created by adventure players for adventure players, players just like you, it took over 3 years to create the PC version you see now and I hope you all enjoy it as much as we did creating it.
I have not replied earlier for the simple reason I have been very, very busy trying to get the game a publisher in North America, of which we are in the early stages in achieving this goal, I am sure you all understand how much time this consumes.
All I have left to say is to wish all of you and your families a very Merry Christmas and a Happy 'Limbo' New Year, keep the adventure game genre alive!!!!!!!
God bless you all.
Kind Regards
Steve Bovis
Creative/Project Director
MAJESTIC STUDIOS
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| 12 DEC 2007 at 2:05pm |
challis3Intergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | If it is true that your "daughter" is Fable- why did you refer to FABLE as a HIM repeatedly in your posts at Gameboomers and say he had a small role in beta testing??
Personally I think the whole thing was originally overblown and I was happy to see it die down, but I refuse to sit idly by and watch you tell untruths AGAIN to another adventure community.
Your own co-developers posted a clear dressing down of you- why not just take your medicine- let this thing die down and let the game- which I understand is excellent- speak for itself?
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| 12 DEC 2007 at 3:48pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | This is all very well, but it doesn't explain why FABLE passed her/himself off as a regular player and if father & daughter were alternating using the same 'FABLE' name, then that should have been made clear at the time with each post. There's good reason to let this end once & for all, but, for the record, I'm not naive enough to believe that the above post answers all the questions raised nor do I believe that the apology went far enough.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 12 DEC 2007 at 5:45pm |
| Deleted User | I promised that I wouldn't post again on this subject, and I won't... on the substance.
I would just like to prefix the Shakespearian extract, as I previously intended to and fluffed :-
--------- [size=14]it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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| 12 DEC 2007 at 11:57pm |
PoyntenklikSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Well, well, well, the deception never ends. So Fable is Laura. But now we have Laurie46 who is apparently Laurence. I don't think its rocket science to make the phonetic connection between Laura, Laurie and Laurence. Perhaps Fable made time to book into the clinic for a sex change while simultaneously getting promoted from Mstudio playtester to Chief Puzzle designer, lead character vocals and musical director ? :-?
Originally Posted By FABLE (11 DEC 2007 9:57am)
I (Laura) posted this and my forum name is FABLE
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05 December, 2007 04:33 PM Apology LOTL
Laurie46
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Registered: 05 December, 2007
Posts: 7 Hi
"My name is Laurence, I am the chief puzzle designer, lead voice overs and musical director for the now infamous Limbo of the Lost "
Oh and what do we have here. Ah yes, the giveaway 'hahahahaha's that run through most of Fables earlier posts at gameboomers.
"Once again I can only apologise on behalf of Majestic Studios and suffice to say someone is in the dog house hahahah"
"We are all entitled at least one mistake, here's one that a certain person won't forget in a hurry. hahaha"
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 12:23am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Poyntenklik (12 DEC 2007 11:56pm)
Oh and what do we have here. Ah yes, the giveaway 'hahahahaha's that run through most of Fables earlier posts at gameboomers.
"Once again I can only apologise on behalf of Majestic Studios and suffice to say someone is in the dog house hahahah"
"We are all entitled at least one mistake, here's one that a certain person won't forget in a hurry. hahaha"
When one is trying to determine credibility, this is the sort of thing that can help swing the pointing finger one way or the other. Not to mention that we adventure gamers tend to get pretty good a puzzle-solving and if you look at this as a bit of a puzzle, the 'hahaha' factor here would seem to be a bit of a giveaway. After all, how many people add 'hahaha' even once to their posts these days. Most of us use happy faces or somesuch and even if one were to come out with a 'hahaha', it certainly would only be once at the most, but more to the point an adult wouldn't tend to use it at all in this sort of circumstance. Very curious.
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 12:52am |
PoyntenklikSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By SirDave (13 DEC 2007 12:23am)
When one is trying to determine credibility, this is the sort of thing that can help swing the pointing finger one way or the other. Not to mention that we adventure gamers tend to get pretty good a puzzle-solving and if you look at this as a bit of a puzzle, the 'hahaha' factor here would seem to be a bit of a giveaway. After all, how many people add 'hahaha' even once to their posts these days. Most of us use happy faces or somesuch and even if one were to come out with a 'hahaha', it certainly would only be once at the most, but more to the point an adult wouldn't tend to use it at all in this sort of circumstance. Very curious.
Indeed SirDave. And might I add, you make your points very eloquently
Yeah I agree, a bit of internet sleuthing is right up our alley, particularly after having just finished a sherlock holmes game or two. I've done this before on other forums, piecing together giveaway clues with spelling or grammatical repetition when I suspect someone of using multiple nicks. It's amazing how they're so unaware of these little details that they carry from one character to their next.
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 5:36am |
DarleenIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Hi all............
I really have to voice my opinion on this subject.........I believe it is a publicity's stunt on all forums to get you to buy the game...
I Have read all the threads that came from Fable...It looks to me like this guy knows how to promote the sale of a his game ............
WOW !!!! I Believe we were all scammed..........>Into buying Limbo...
What a Nice trick ..... Mr. Fable .............We all Fell for it...You got your game sold <BIG TIME>
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 10:34am |
| Deleted User | I know that I promised that I wouldn't post again on this subject, but as a devout Quest-Adventurer and lover of whodunnits, I can't help myself.
(This is beginning to challenge The Never Ending Story !)
Without taking sides, more posts just reported within the last hour :-
http://www.gameboomers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=241552&fpart=4&PHPSESSID=69086024f53ddb44bbaf1b317caaba5c
http://www.gameboomers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=245509&PHPSESSID=69086024f53ddb44bbaf1b317caaba5c#Post245509
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 3:13pm |
challis3Intergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Which absolutely proves that FABLE is NOT who they say they are:
FABLE is NOT Steve's daughter
FABLE is NOT named Laura or a female
FABLE is not the Lead Vocalist, Puzzle Designer, Main Limbo Musical Score, Co-Game designer
Because that is Laurence.
Hahahahaha.
I agree with Ivinia- this whole thing defies logic. Come clean- make an authentic apology and BURY IT ALREADY.
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 4:44pm |
MrLipidPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | I'm voting to consign LOTL to the bargain bin of history. The nonsense surrounding this title has, regardless of the actual game's qualities, tainted the whole enterprise.
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 5:55pm |
| Deleted User | ~~ MrLipid ~~ ... I'm voting to consign LOTL to the bargain bin of history. The nonsense surrounding this title has, regardless of the actual game's qualities, tainted the whole enterprise.
**** Despite what I said, I'm definitely returning to this one !
**** I HATE to hear of anybody or anything being lynched... or anything condemned without a proper trial !
Who knows what has been going on with names, or why? Anybody on the Net can masquerade as anybody else, and if they're clever enough get away with it, I would imagine !
And in any case, various people use pseudonyms for a multitude of purposes, some benign and others doubtless not so, I would assume.
That is absolutely not the point here.
The ONLY moral question is:- Did the game’s project Director (apparently a Mr. Steve Bovis) have a mutual agreement of ANY sort with Infernoj13usa not to post a walkthrough, or by implication, Hints or Spoilers on a Forum, before her exclusive review was posted on that Site ??
Steve Bovis claims "YES... that was definitely agreed upon, and that agreement was unilaterally broken"!
He claims that this is entirely true. Very many others maintain that it is a downright lie.
I personally have absolutely no way of knowing which of these is the truth !!
Despite scores of posts by 3rd parties (including myself) who do not have proper concrete facts, I have not seen a single statement or refutation from
Infernoj13usa stating in any way that Steve's ‘accusation’ is incorrect &/or unfair.
If anybody can point me to one I’d be extremely pleased, since all the rest, from all sides, is not ‘justice’ but pure hearsay and smokescreen as far as I’m concerned.
Certainly very far from enough to even suggest any sort of ban on the game itself which so far has been praised considerably.
BTW: I would like to stress that I have no knowledge whatsoever of Limbo of the Lost, nor have I ever had any contact with anybody even remotely connected with the game.
ADDENDUM (later)
I cannot for the life of me understand why a game Developer who has sweated over very many years to produce what I read is an excellent game, would want to lie through his teeth and spoil his & his game's good name.
No more can I comprehend why a very reliable and extremely well thought of Quest-Adventurer, who has contributed greatly to the genre and its gamers, would stoop to an alleged breach of trust.
Both seem completely out of character and more than just a little weird !
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 6:55pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By LenG (13 DEC 2007 5:54pm)
The ONLY moral question is:- Did the game’s project Director (apparently a Mr. Steve Bovis) have a mutual agreement of ANY sort with Infernoj13usa not to post a walkthrough, or by implication, Hints or Spoilers on a Forum, before her exclusive review was posted on that Site ??
Steve Bovis claims "YES... that was definitely agreed upon, and that agreement was unilaterally broken"!
Despite scores of posts by 3rd parties (including myself) who do not have proper concrete facts, I have not seen a single statement or refutation from Infernoj13usa stating in any way that Steve's ‘accusation’ is incorrect &/or unfair.
If anybody can point me to one I’d be extremely pleased, since all the rest, from all sides, is not ‘justice’ but pure hearsay and smokescreen as far as I’m concerned.
Hi Len:
First of all, let it be perfectly clear to everyone that I have no relationship to SirDave, but I do know for a fact that he is an honorable gentleman. Well actually, I worked with him years ago and he did marry my ex-3rd wife, but we categorically don't speak to each other. On the other hand, he was godfather to a child I had with a woman who now lives on the Falklands Islands, but that was only for expedience. Hehehe. Oh and yes, we did go into business together and produce a casual game, but he's only a beta-tester now, but even so, I don't have any direct communication with him, except the occasionally email, text-message and well okay, phonecall, but we never talk about anything in particular related to our business or the game we produced. Still, I guess I should mention that I'm going to marry his mother so I guess that will make him my son, but we still won't talk....much. Hehehe!
But in answer to your question (or challenge), starting at this point:
http://www.gameboomers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=233736&fpart=9
Here's what Inferno said (in part):
And I have never mentioned anything except for the pure love of this adventure and my excitement for it here in the Discussions Forum. As a matter of fact in my First Look --- I didn't mentioned any spoilers within the demo... and won't either.
I was never told that I was doing an "exclusive review for the world at large" --- until I read it here in this thread.
The only "exclusivity" I had been given was a piece of info about the adventure itself. Something I was asked to keep quiet about and I will honor that.
Here, on the other hand, is the response of Steve Bovis:
I and MSTUDIOS have never slammed INFERNO, all I said was that usually a disclaimer goes with a review copy to make sure nothing is leaked, this includes code and game ideas, the review copy came from G2 not from MSTUDIOS. I have spoken to INFERNO personally and helped her with her review and questions regarding the game and the team. I whole heartedly agree with alot the forum is saying, I also can see where FABLE is coming from, FABLE was one of our playtesters on the game and I have spoken to him regarding this issue. He just feels upset that the help he gave was to help INFERNO with the review and he thought he and INFERNO had an understanding regarding hints, and solutions, this obviously was not the case... MSTUDIOS has done nothing but help INFERNO and others on this forum with question regarding G2, shipping and the game itself. One copy was sent out to one forum member personally by myself when they had been let down by G2.
This was followed up with a post by Becky (GB moderator):
The game arrived without a letter from the publisher or any other documentation (which is not that unusual), and everyone here assumed that it was sent by the publisher in the usual way and that review copies were arriving at every other adventure site and every other game site.
Steve Bovis (as 'MSTUDIOS') responded:
I wanted GAMEBOOMERS to have the first full review and instructed G2 to send a review copy (I asummed they had past on the info to you).
None if this, Inferno's post or 'MSTUDIOS' response indicates any meeting of the minds between a game developer and a reviewer on the matter of giving out hints or a walkthrough. In fact, 'MSTUDIOS' appears to confirm that important matters were 'assumed'. This, along with the fact that it seems agreed that the entity FABLE was Inferno's first and main (if not only) contact during the formative stages of this episode, seems to conflict with the Steve Bovis quote you posted above that something or anything was 'definitely agreed upon' except confidentially of a specific bit of 'info' that Inferno mentions above.
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 7:04pm |
MrLipidPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By LenG (13 DEC 2007 5:54pm)
~~ MrLipid ~~ ... I'm voting to consign LOTL to the bargain bin of history. The nonsense surrounding this title has, regardless of the actual game's qualities, tainted the whole enterprise.
Certainly very far from enough to even suggest any sort of ban on the game itself ....
Not suggesting a ban. I'm just saying that I, as one consumer, have decided that regardless of the game's qualities, I want nothing to do with it. Consider my loss of interest as collateral damage from whatever sparked this whole rat's nest.
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 7:57pm |
| Deleted User | OK: Sorry... accepted that you did not suggest a ban (but several posters on GameBoomers did at one stage anyhow).
It's no skin off my nose since I repeat (i think for the 3rd time) that I have never had any coneections with the tgame or any of its Developers.
I's most certainly your (and everybody else's) prerogative.
I shall not follow your example since IMHO this would be a (very minor) form of 'punishment' to the 3 game Developers and anybody else who may have worked hard to produce what I gather is a good game, without any direct proof that anybody is to blame for this overblown storm in a teacup !
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 8:39pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By LenG (13 DEC 2007 7:57pm)
I shall not follow your example since IMHO this would be a (very minor) form of 'punishment' to the 3 game Developers and anybody else who may have worked hard to produce what I gather is a good game, without any direct proof that anybody is to blame for this overblown storm in a teacup !
Len, we disagree on the issue of 'proof', but I will have no problem buying the game or recommending it to others if it turns out to be as good as Inferno repeatedly said it was.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 13 DEC 2007 at 8:40pm |
Terry PenrodGrand Inquisitor
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The only interest I have in this whole ridiculous speculation/accusation/recrimination-fest is, who's going to win the award for GameBoomer's Biggest Drama Queen Of The Year?
Cheers, Terry
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