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| 23 NOV 2007 at 3:45pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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yeah, can't wait for gamespot to speak ... the truth ... too! [smiley=rofl.gif]
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| 23 NOV 2007 at 3:49pm |
papillonSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Pfft, forget those lame sources, it's the casual market that's embracing the adventure game...
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| 23 NOV 2007 at 3:56pm |
ShanyGuild Master
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Status : Online | And for those too lazy to click on the link - they gave it a 4.0.
Now, I haven't played Culpa Innata (yet), but I'd love to know why you agree with them, Hellspawn.
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| 23 NOV 2007 at 4:04pm |
ukpetdSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Having completed CI, I can see where IGN is coming from. HOWEVER, neither the glowing review by Aya nor this completely negative view are helpful. IMHO the game is worth playing but don't expect too much from it.
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| 23 NOV 2007 at 9:21pm |
| Deleted User | I was looking forward to this title but after reading the reviews by Aya and IGN, even though totally opposite, both agree that it is very conversation heavy. I think I'll be passing on this one, since for me, too much talking is a turn-off in a game. Besides, right now I'm having too much fun with Resident Evil 4.
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| 23 NOV 2007 at 11:30pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | It's a risky business putting out an adventure game that is very heavy on dialogue because of the susceptibility to this sort of criticism (ie. the review in question). Dialogue requires not only particularly clever writing (think Jane Jensen) but also actors with reasonable speaking skills. The more dialogue, the more weaknesses in either or both of these factors will become significant. Not to mention that the more dialogue, the more likely there is going to be repetition of the same spoken information unless the game has been cleverly programmed to carefully flag when certain information has already been discussed.
I haven't played thru Culpa Innata so I won't say any more except that, in spite of this sort of criticism, I'm still interested in playing it because my guess is that although some of the criticism is likely justified, a good deal of it is the same sort of criticism that doesn't ring true or seem worth mentioning when one has seen enough of these reviews by people that don't seem into the genre to begin with. For instance, all the stuff about the alleged illogical behaviour of the people in the society or the Phoenix character- heck, since when were the premises or the characters in almost any video/computer games you care to name logical? I still haven't run into a crevice to fall into that will take me to a deserted island, let alone a linking book to get me off of it.
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| 24 NOV 2007 at 8:47am |
TCPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Shany (23 NOV 2007 3:55pm)
And for those too lazy to click on the link - they gave it a 4.0.
Now, I haven't played Culpa Innata (yet), but I'd love to know why you agree with them, Hellspawn.
Well Shany, I have to say that between Aya's gushing review and IGN's destructive criticism, the 'truth' (= the game as seen by most people) is somewhere in the middle. In short, maybe you will want to wait for a demo or for more reviews before you make up your mind. Of course your personal tastes are a major factor into the equation. I can tell you this, having played both Culpa and A Tale of Two Kingdoms recently, I enjoyed the latter more, but since you gave up on that one, oh well...
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| 24 NOV 2007 at 5:07pm |
ShanyGuild Master
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Status : Online | @TC - Actually, I already bought Culpa Innata. I wanted to know why Hellspawn feels CI deserves a 4.0, because otherwise his post is as good as spam to me.
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| 24 NOV 2007 at 5:19pm |
shadow9d9Sorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Shany (24 NOV 2007 5:07pm)
@TC - Actually, I already bought Culpa Innata. I wanted to know why Hellspawn feels CI deserves a 4.0, because otherwise his post is as good as spam to me.
I have a feeling it was a post to show how ridiculous mainstream websites are when reviewing adventure games.
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| 24 NOV 2007 at 5:37pm |
TCPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Well then, I guess we'll have to wait for his response to see what his real intension was.
As for mainstream - Won't you agree JA is kinda mainstream? I mean, no offense, but both reviews of CI on JA are way too positive. Unfortunately I find myself agreeing more with the IGN review than with the JA reviews (at least on some very crucial points he made there).
Enjoy CI as much as you can Shany!
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| 24 NOV 2007 at 7:56pm |
ShanyGuild Master
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Status : Online | I think by mainstream it means sites that review all genres like IGN, Gamespot etc.
I don't think IGN's review was bad. It judged the game as an adventure game, and showed what flaws it has as such. Even with the normal complaint about most adventures - the graphics - the writer said it was more the lack of an artistic direction and low resolution.
Enjoy CI as much as you can Shany!
Thanks!
I won't get to it in a long time though...
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| 24 NOV 2007 at 9:08pm |
shadow9d9Sorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TC (24 NOV 2007 5:36pm)
Well then, I guess we'll have to wait for his response to see what his real intension was.
As for mainstream - Won't you agree JA is kinda mainstream? I mean, no offense, but both reviews of CI on JA are way too positive. Unfortunately I find myself agreeing more with the IGN review than with the JA reviews (at least on some very crucial points he made there).
Enjoy CI as much as you can Shany!
Aye, what Shany says.
As for it being too positive here, I agree that most of the adventure only websites often neglect to be critical in reviews. Sometimes it boggles my mind how some games are given a pass for absurd and obvious problems with games just because they are so used to playing adventure games that they are used to it.
I have only played about 30 minutes into CI so far... playing like 4 games at the same time. Seems decent so far... a little irritating how you need to go to a separate screen to get to the inventory and back.. and you can't jump across the screens(must wait for her to run the whole way)....
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| 25 NOV 2007 at 10:54am |
TCPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By shadow9d9 (24 NOV 2007 9:07pm)
Originally Posted By TC (24 NOV 2007 5:36pm)
Well then, I guess we'll have to wait for his response to see what his real intension was.
As for mainstream - Won't you agree JA is kinda mainstream? I mean, no offense, but both reviews of CI on JA are way too positive. Unfortunately I find myself agreeing more with the IGN review than with the JA reviews (at least on some very crucial points he made there).
Enjoy CI as much as you can Shany!
Aye, what Shany says.
As for it being too positive here, I agree that most of the adventure only websites often neglect to be critical in reviews. Sometimes it boggles my mind how some games are given a pass for absurd and obvious problems with games just because they are so used to playing adventure games that they are used to it.
I have only played about 30 minutes into CI so far... playing like 4 games at the same time. Seems decent so far... a little irritating how you need to go to a separate screen to get to the inventory and back.. and you can't jump across the screens(must wait for her to run the whole way)....
Well I actually found the mobility in CI swift and smooth. I think the more you play the faster the movement between locations will be. And the inventory you mean the PA? You only have to obtain it once. If you mean the laptop, yeah, you have to return to your office in order to use it. But that take a second using the navigational map.
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| 26 NOV 2007 at 3:13am |
shadow9d9Sorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Offline | I meant going to the inventory screen, picking an item, then exiting.. if you misclick needing to do it again...etc. It would be much easier to have the inventory at the bottom or top like other games.
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| 27 NOV 2007 at 2:43am |
kuddlesPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Well this is a surprise.
Too late, though, I already uninstalled the game. Took me an hour to absolutely hate it.
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| 27 NOV 2007 at 4:30pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By kuddles (27 NOV 2007 2:42am)
Well this is a surprise.
to the point of wondering whether their site was hacked or smth!
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| 27 NOV 2007 at 5:29pm |
jalexSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | I think IGA was a bad review. I havn't played the game yet either but for the people that might choose to egnor the poor diologe, if it really is poor and enjoy the rest of the game there is very little mention of anything else in the game. I don't think reviews should single out any aspect of a game and not cover everything the game has to offer.
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| 28 NOV 2007 at 6:35am |
antlerIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By HellSpawn (23 NOV 2007 3:28pm)
Culpa Innata review http://pc.ign.com/articles/836/836939p1.html
Having read that piece of garbage that is disguised as a review I can only wonder what this guy's problem is. He complains about everything including the idea that the game's world is not believable. Excuse me just what game does not require a suspension of belief?
He continually rants beyond any legitimate measure of criticism even complaining about grammar. Too bad he did not proof read what he wrote there are many grammatical errors there. The reviews here on JA, Gameboomers and other places have all lavished praise on this game. Even Gamespot who traditionally hates Adventure Games gave it a decent review and score.
The problem with this review is that it's acid tone does not ring true. It reads like a sophomore rant by a child who was sent to his room. If there is any credible criticism it is lost his shrill ranting. The best I can offer this hack is to suggest if he really really hates Adventure games then don't review them. If your attention span can't handle conversations and the slow pace take out your virtual ak47 and have at it in any FPS.
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| 28 NOV 2007 at 7:09am |
Terry PenrodGrand Inquisitor
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All I can say about that IGN review is, who the hell is Dan Adams and why should anybody care what he thinks about Culpa Innata or any other adventure game?
Cheers, Terry
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| 28 NOV 2007 at 10:27am |
TCPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | I'm in the minority here I see. While I absolutely agree that the IGN review (Adams) was too harsh, I think he raised some vaild points. If you read between the lines you'll see this. Besides, his review isn't a commercially distributed computer game, as long as his review is legibile, he has no obligation to maintain perfect grammar, unlike CI.
I'm sorry, but I found most of the dialogue in CI bland and unsatisfactory, the graphics being unpolished is the least of the faults from my perspective. I feel sorry about bashing the game, but it just wasn't that amazing. Some characters were simply redundant (And I'm not even talking about that new age priestess).
Right now I'm playing Planescape: Torment, granted not an adventure, but the dialogues and storyline are simply incredible, many many degrees above CI, which pales in comparison.
HellSpawn, I would love to hear your opinion of the game. Same goes for you, kuddles.
Wow, from the GS review:
"If only all adventure games began life as projects "to leverage core technologies in 3-D face animation." According to freshman Turkish developer Momentum's Web site, the company originally set out to create a prop to sell facial modeling to TV animation..."
Why am I not surprised? : I pray to god that not "all adventure games began life as projects to leverage core technologies in 3-D face animation."
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| 28 NOV 2007 at 1:57pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By antler (28 NOV 2007 6:35am)
Originally Posted By HellSpawn (23 NOV 2007 3:28pm)
Culpa Innata review http://pc.ign.com/articles/836/836939p1.html
Having read that piece of garbage that is disguised as a review I can only wonder what this guy's problem is. He complains about everything including the idea that the game's world is not believable. Excuse me just what game does not require a suspension of belief?
He continually rants beyond any legitimate measure of criticism even complaining about grammar. Too bad he did not proof read what he wrote there are many grammatical errors there. The reviews here on JA, Gameboomers and other places have all lavished praise on this game. Even Gamespot who traditionally hates Adventure Games gave it a decent review and score.
The problem with this review is that it's acid tone does not ring true. It reads like a sophomore rant by a child who was sent to his room. If there is any credible criticism it is lost his shrill ranting. The best I can offer this hack is to suggest if he really really hates Adventure games then don't review them. If your attention span can't handle conversations and the slow pace take out your virtual ak47 and have at it in any FPS.
Welcome to the Forum!
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| 28 NOV 2007 at 3:09pm |
shadow9d9Sorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Terry Penrod (28 NOV 2007 7:08am)
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All I can say about that IGN review is, who the hell is Dan Adams and why should anybody care what he thinks about Culpa Innata or any other adventure game?
Cheers, Terry
So if you don't personally know of the reviewer, their review means nothing, even though it is on a major site? Pretty ridiculous.
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| 28 NOV 2007 at 6:27pm |
antlerIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By TC (28 NOV 2007 10:26am)
I'm in the minority here I see. While I absolutely agree that the IGN review (Adams) was too harsh, I think he raised some vaild points. If you read between the lines you'll see this. Besides, his review isn't a commercially distributed computer game, as long as his review is legibile, he has no obligation to maintain perfect grammar, unlike CI.
You can’t give Adams a pass on this. I.G.N. is a major site and I assume Adams gets paid to write reviews. He choose to anoint himself judge over this game by the act of writing this review. He then accuses the writers of the script of using bad grammar when he in fact does the same. He needs to be held to a professional standard. He is a professional isn’t he? I.G.N. handed this guy a crayon and said “review an adventure game.” It was Adams who chose the role of judge. In the attack he laid waste to this game. As someone who plays games and particularly enjoys Adventure Games why should I give any credibility to someone who can’t write to the standard he holds others to? His tone read as he was determined “to pick on everything and anything.” In other words he had an agenda.
Compare the voice acting to any number of Adventure Games and you will see it is better than most. Did he cite a single game that had better voice acting? Actually in total the voice acting was fairly good and scores well against the majority of games. As for the graphics the backgrounds were not top shelf. But they were nowhere near as bad as he led the reader to believe. For the most part you don’t notice. Why? Because the facial expressions and lip syncing were excellent. How many games can you watch a character’s facial expression change during a conversation? The detail where it counts was incredible. The puzzles were varied, some more interesting than others but at least we did not have to move crates around ad nauseam. The dialog bored him and was redundant. How much? What percentage? Give an example? There was an extensive amount of dialog, but that is the nature of the game. Yes the scenes of gossip with “Sandy” were annoying at best. The frequent scenes only served to advance the game once
Adams, get over the shoe salesman! It was a short funny scene, a minor distraction.
The point I am making is Adams wrote a review on a site that frequently pans adventure games. His attack was unconvincing simply because his writing was bad. He choose to bash everything he could while ignoring the game’s strengths. The site’s history in hosting adventure game reviews suggest they don’t like adventure games. Based on all of this why should this review receive any credibility? Adams does need to be held to the same standard the game’s writers do. He expects us to either buy a game or not based upon his position. Then I expect an unbiased review written well and supported with fact. Adams did not do any of that. I say the J.A. reviewers got this one right
As I read the review again I must consider that I spent too much time on this. What do I care? It just infuriates me that a so called professional can write such a hatchet job and not expect to be called out on it.
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| 28 NOV 2007 at 7:48pm |
Terry PenrodGrand Inquisitor
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Never heard of Dan Adams (assuming he's not Daniel Adams the writer / filmmaker).
Moreover, I've never read anything he's written in the past, can't find any info about his qualifications as a game reviewer or as a professional writer in general, and thought the quality of writing in this review was quite poor.
So again, why should I or anyone else care what he thinks about this or any other game?
Cheers, Terry
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