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| 12 OCT 2006 at 2:24pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ogre (11 OCT 2006 6:21pm)
Never buy a game online!
amen!
i mean, it's one thing that you pay just to get a file - no box, no manual nothing... but this new inet activated copy protections have taken things too far... it's like you're a criminal on parole that has to report every time you want to play! take the exchange student for example... you pay your money to dload the game, but things don't stop there... activation is machine specific... so if you want to take the game with you on vacation on your laptop, you have to make sure you activate it there first... if you want to play it on your pc in the attic that has no inet connection, you have to bring your pc downstairs and connect it online first... not to mention if you want to play it in 10 years and the developer is not around anymore, without having released an unlock patch - you're screwed..... when you buy a game (boxed or dloaded or whatever) you are supposed to be able to play it whenever and wherever you want - it belongs to you now, and you should NOT have to go through all kinds of other crap to be able to play
btw, i am one of the biggest enemies of this new game dloading and activating fad... i may eventually give in if the war is lost, but it won't be without a fight! [img]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/waffen/violent-smiley-070.gif[/img]
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| 12 OCT 2006 at 2:43pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | just one small note: i DO and WILL support dloads from indie developers as long as they don't set their prices to outrageous heights - and i do consider a price to dload being equal to boxed copies borderlining outrageous... i realize that the indies can't always have the luxury of publishers or the financial abilities of self-publishing... what i will NEVER support is dloads from major developers or inet based copy protections from anyone
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| 12 OCT 2006 at 5:38pm |
| Deleted User | I was heavily interested in Half Life 2 but never bought it for that simple reason. Also it's not their business when and how long I play their game and what my computer stats are.
I think online selling is a chance for indy developers and I also support that when the priceing is okay and the software has no DRM.
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| 12 OCT 2006 at 7:31pm |
RecklessJourneyman
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Status : Online | At least the end result for 'owners' of the downloaded copy of Prey will be receiving a boxed copy. My guess is that this will send a very bad message through the industry and people will be more wary of supporting this delivery mechanism.
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| 13 OCT 2006 at 6:50am |
RobDSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Aya (12 OCT 2006 2:24pm)
i mean, it's one thing that you pay just to get a file - no box, no manual nothing... but this new inet activated copy protections have taken things too far... it's like you're a criminal on parole that has to report every time you want to play! take the exchange student for example... you pay your money to dload the game, but things don't stop there... activation is machine specific... so if you want to take the game with you on vacation on your laptop, you have to make sure you activate it there first... if you want to play it on your pc in the attic that has no inet connection, you have to bring your pc downstairs and connect it online first... not to mention if you want to play it in 10 years and the developer is not around anymore, without having released an unlock patch - you're screwed..... when you buy a game (boxed or dloaded or whatever) you are supposed to be able to play it whenever and wherever you want - it belongs to you now, and you should NOT have to go through all kinds of other crap to be able to play
btw, i am one of the biggest enemies of this new game dloading and activating fad... i may eventually give in if the war is lost, but it won't be without a fight! [img]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/waffen/violent-smiley-070.gif[/img]
My sentiments exactly, Aya! I'm already being made to feel like a pirate every time I watch a progess
bar while the game slowly checks the cd/dvd for authentication, at the same time crossing my fingers,
hoping and praying that the game lets me play. If I have to prostrate myself online begging for
activation every time I install a game, to hell with it. That's the day I stop playing games. >
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| 13 OCT 2006 at 5:02pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Aya (12 OCT 2006 2:24pm)
it belongs to you now, and you should NOT have to go through all kinds of other crap to be able to play
You mean like SCUMMVM, DOSBOX, UAE, Virtual PC, Dual booting etc that we need to play the CD versions.
I means it's not like that a hassle : :
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| 13 OCT 2006 at 7:08pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Lucien21 (13 OCT 2006 5:02pm)
You mean like SCUMMVM, DOSBOX, UAE, Virtual PC, Dual booting etc that we need to play the CD versions.
I means it's not like that a hassle : :
it is, but there are two major differences:
1. the developer didn't make you do that... when you bought the game you could play right away... this happens because of the pcs evolving
2. you can still run all the games that their developers are no longer around... can you imagine all those games requiring some activation thru the developer? how are you going to play the exchange student in 10 years if pan metron ariston is not around? at least if jonathan boaks isn't around (for example) you will still be able to play darkfall, maybe with some pc tweaking
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| 13 OCT 2006 at 7:08pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Lucien21 (13 OCT 2006 5:02pm)
Originally Posted By Aya (12 OCT 2006 2:24pm)
it belongs to you now, and you should NOT have to go through all kinds of other crap to be able to play
You mean like SCUMMVM, DOSBOX, UAE, Virtual PC, Dual booting etc that we need to play the CD versions.
I means it's not like that a hassle : :
Pah... the real fan has a room full of computers from all ages and no need for emulators!!! ^^
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| 14 OCT 2006 at 12:45am |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ogre (13 OCT 2006 7:08pm)
Pah... the real fan has a room full of computers from all ages and no need for emulators!!! ^^
oooooooh... the dream room! 8-)
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| 14 OCT 2006 at 5:44am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Aya (12 OCT 2006 2:24pm)
Originally Posted By Ogre (11 OCT 2006 6:21pm)
Never buy a game online!
amen!
And a double amen from me brother......I commend you both!
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| 14 OCT 2006 at 9:59am |
MarkGuild Master
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| 14 OCT 2006 at 3:18pm |
MrLipidPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Shouldn't a distinction be drawn between those downloadable games that do not require contact with a server and those that do?
I have a number of downloaded games that run just fine even though their publishers are long gone.
And I have one that died when the company went under.
Ideally, a company should release the code that unlocks the game permanently when the company ceases to exist. I realize there are all sorts of license and intellectual property issues with this approach, but seems the least a company could do.
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| 14 OCT 2006 at 5:38pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By MrLipid (14 OCT 2006 3:17pm)
Shouldn't a distinction be drawn between those downloadable games that do not require contact with a server and those that do?
Sure if you download a software and it runs fine offline without the need of activation or similar it's no problem.
Ideally, a company should release the code that unlocks the game permanently when the company ceases to exist. I realize there are all sorts of license and intellectual property issues with this approach, but seems the least a company could do.
Problem is only in an exceptional case they would, most times they simply won't bother anymore.
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| 14 OCT 2006 at 5:45pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MrLipid (14 OCT 2006 3:17pm)
Ideally, a company should release the code that unlocks the game permanently when the company ceases to exist. I realize there are all sorts of license and intellectual property issues with this approach, but seems the least a company could do.
that is still not ok... imagine all games needing activation... are we supposed to be monitoring all the developers of all our games to see if they're going out of business and if they're releasing an unlock patch? after i buy my game, i want to throw it in the attic and forget about it... i mean, i paid the developer, this copy is mine now... i should NOT have to be following current events to make sure i'll be able to play it in 10 years... i may want to go for a 10 year trip in the carribean, and not worry about games, inet or anything else... a bit extreme maybe, but it's still my RIGHT as an owner of the game to play it WHENEVER i want, without needing to have any other thought or worry about it
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| 14 OCT 2006 at 7:00pm |
| Deleted User | ~~ Aya (and all others 'supporting' his point of view) ~~
I agree 200%.
Since I only play Quest/Adventures (and hence do not need or want to be in contact with anybody else whilst playing), I will not UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES buy a game (or an episode of a game) which has to be downloaded, UNLESS after the downloading process it is 100% MINE without any necessity to contact the Developer, Publisher, whoever in any way whatsoever!
I personally am all for the ability to download games. For the growing number of players who have ADSL or even more so full broadband, the downloading of a game is now a fairly quick business... a 700 MB CD takes anywhere from 2 hours down to maybe only 10 to 15 minutes to download in full.
Some may differ from me here, but I personally couldn't care less if the game comes in a pretty box, with a glorious manual, and a lovely colorful CD, or if it is simply burned onto one of my own plain CDs with a manual that I can print out if desired &/or necessary.
All I want to do is to play the game as quickly as I can obtain it. Since I don't live in the USA or UK etc., I want to avoid postal delays, transport-damaged CD's, very considerable postal & packing expenses, possible security & customs hassle when the game arrives, journeys to the P.O to pick it up, etc., etc.
If the Developers or Publishers wish or need to include some form of copy-protection it is up to them (not that ANY form of copy protection stops pirates from file sharing the game within a day or 2 of release and frequently even BEFORE release.
After I have paid my good money and obtained the game, I REFUSE to have anything more to do with either the Developers or Publishers (unless of course there are any troubles with the game itself which need free rectifying)!
If there is ANY question of my having to contact ANYBODY else or go on line in any way AT ANY TIME or for ANY reason, I won't touch the game with a bargepole !!
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| 14 OCT 2006 at 7:25pm |
MrLipidPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Aya (14 OCT 2006 5:45pm)
...it's still my RIGHT as an owner of the game to play it WHENEVER i want, without needing to have any other thought or worry about it
It is not your right.
You are not the owner of the game.
You only hold a license that allows you to play the game as long as those who issued the license allow it.
Whether the game remains available to play is up to those who issue the license.
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| 14 OCT 2006 at 9:56pm |
Terry PenrodGrand Inquisitor
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Downloading full retail games and having to connect to a server for activation every time you want to play them are two entirely different issues. I support the first idea but not the second unless it involves a MMOG.
Cheers, Terry
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| 15 OCT 2006 at 2:23pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MrLipid (14 OCT 2006 7:25pm)
It is not your right.
You are not the owner of the game.
You only hold a license that allows you to play the game as long as those who issued the license allow it.
Whether the game remains available to play is up to those who issue the license.
i beg to differ... yes, i do not own the game itself, as in i do not own the code... but i do own the right to play it for the rest of eternity, and however i want to... when you buy a book, you own the right to read it whenever and however you want to... when you buy music, you own the right to listen to it in any way and place you want to... when you buy a movie you own the right to watch it again and again for as long as you live... you do NOT have to contact the writer, musician, producer to "report" that you will be using the product you BOUGHT... this applies exactly in the same way with games... if some ppl want to change this and control when and where and how often i will play the game i BOUGHT, then they can do that to other ppl, not me > and the word MUST be spread... do NOT support games that require you to contact the developer or publisher or anyone else after you bought them in order to play (unless it's MMOG's of course, where that is part of this kind of games)
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 15 OCT 2006 at 3:05pm |
| Deleted User | Amen!
Developers &/or Publishers I presume have the legal right to attach whatever strings they wish to their products.
But, as Aya said, in the abovementioned cases, I for one am just not buying !!
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| 15 OCT 2006 at 3:07pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Fuddy Duddies.
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| 15 OCT 2006 at 4:25pm |
MrLipidPrivate Detective
Posts : 666
Joined: 10 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MrLipid (14 OCT 2006 7:25pm)
It is not your right.
You are not the owner of the game.
You only hold a license that allows you to play the game as long as those who issued the license allow it.
Whether the game remains available to play is up to those who issue the license.
Originally Posted By Aya (15 OCT 2006 2:22pm)
i beg to differ... yes, i do not own the game itself, as in i do not own the code... but i do own the right to play it for the rest of eternity, and however i want to...
No, you don't.
Originally Posted By Aya (15 OCT 2006 2:22pm)
when you buy a book, you own the right to read it whenever and however you want to...
That's true.
Originally Posted By Aya (15 OCT 2006 2:22pm)
when you buy music, you own the right to listen to it in any way and place you want to...
As music goes digital, that is less and less true.
Originally Posted By Aya (15 OCT 2006 2:22pm)
when you buy a movie you own the right to watch it again and again for as long as you live...
That may or may not be true depending on the license.
Originally Posted By Aya (15 OCT 2006 2:22pm)
you do NOT have to contact the writer, musician, producer to "report" that you will be using the product you BOUGHT... this applies exactly in the same way with games...
No, it doesn't. Thanks to an insight by Bill Gates years ago, all software is licensed, not owned. And the one who holds the license holds all the cards.
Originally Posted By Aya (15 OCT 2006 2:22pm)
And as intellectural if some ppl want to change this and control when and where and how often i will play the game i BOUGHT, then they can do that to other ppl, not me > and the word MUST be spread... do NOT support games that require you to contact the developer or publisher or anyone else after you bought them in order to play (unless it's MMOG's of course, where that is part of this kind of games)
Again, you did not buy the game. You bought the right to play the game within the terms of the license.
Much of this confusion can be attributed to the software industry itself. It spent years telling people to back up their software. Then it told them that backing up their software was a crime. Now it is trying to extend its income stream by making software a service which one rents.
I personally have no interest in renting software (though GameTap looks like an interesting variant on this idea) and have no interest in buying games that will cease to work if the publisher goes under. That said, clearly understanding how software is offered for use helps explain why it is that companies act as they do. They have set the game so that the acceptance of the EULA gives them whatever they want.
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| 16 OCT 2006 at 3:03am |
| Deleted User | No way your telling me when or where I can listen to the buzz. NEVER!!!
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| 16 OCT 2006 at 12:22pm |
| Deleted User | "Figure of speech" ?!?! [smiley=beer_buds.gif] [smiley=angel_smiley.gif]
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| 17 OCT 2006 at 1:29pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | @mrlipid: you may be right... the software industry holds the right to change the way software is distributed... just like a writer holds the right to say "my book can only be read at public libraries"... in both cases, they can count me out
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