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| 15 APR 2003 at 12:23pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Good thing you brought this thread back to life because many new members got registered and it would be really interesting to read their opinions.
I liked Myst! However, i believe that you said the magic word. That is,...........feel!!!
If you don't feel like playing Myst then you should wait until you do. I played it many years ago when i FELT like playing one game in which there would be NO characters to communicate with and it would be just exploring and using your brain to solve riddles.
Now i am at a situation in which i need a good The longest journey clone. I played Syberia and it was a really good break but short(this is another discussion). I also played Out of Order which is a great freeware and Maniac Mansion clone! I feel relaxed and i can't wait for Runway! So my point is that NOW i don't feel like playing Myst again. I don't think that i am going to like the new Myst (online) but who knows.....
As you said this is just our opinios but i can assure you that if you choose the right time of your life to play it then you are going to love it. It happened to me and it will happen to others in the future....trust me...
The serious Godfather...
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 16 APR 2003 at 1:06pm |
pleto4_ryanIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I don't think that i am going to like the new Myst (online) but who knows.....
em...i thing i am gonna LOVE this....
an online adventure where all the players try to solve riddle by communicating and collecting objects other cannot take?
AMAZING (waiting for that for years...)
The Last Grim Journey Is Life...
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| 16 APR 2003 at 9:51pm |
| Deleted User | Another resurrected thread- what fun!
You do realize that we'll never reach a consensus on this issue though. I can't make you like Myst.
The basic problem with this discussion is that Myst, a first-person exploration-based game, is completely different from a third-person dialogue based game like TLJ. A while back I suggested that these were really different subgenres. If you don't like that particular subgenre, you don't have to play it. It's the same thing as not liking 3D games or FMV games or horror games or any other style of adventure. But what isn't called for is sanctimonious pronouncements that Myst is a Bad Game or that Myst Is Not An Adventure Game Because I Know Everything About Adventure Games And I Don't Like It.
With that in mind, I look forward to the rebirth of this topic.
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| 16 APR 2003 at 10:06pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Myst is a bad game. Furthermore, Myst is not an adventure game because I know everything about adventure games and I don't like it.
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| 17 APR 2003 at 1:38am |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (16 APR 2003 10:06pm)
Myst is a bad game. Furthermore, Myst is not an adventure game because I know everything about adventure games and I don't like it.
jujigatame is a bad gamer. Furthermore, jujigatame is not an adventure gamer because I know everything about adventure gamers and I don't like him.
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| 17 APR 2003 at 12:55pm |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Now, i don't want to look like a big....you know but i think that jamarchand is wrong!! No offence but i think that Juji simply stated his opinion(maybe more 'lively').
About Myst i think that it is indeed a bad adventure game but a really great solve-all-the-riddles-and-understand-what-is- front of you game!!! I just love it that way.
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 17 APR 2003 at 6:31pm |
| Deleted User | I think both of those posts were tongue in cheek.
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| 17 APR 2003 at 8:02pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Godfather (17 APR 2003 12:54pm)
Now, i don't want to look like a big....you know but i think that jamarchand is wrong!! No offence but i think that Juji simply stated his opinion(maybe more 'lively').
jujigatame told his "opinion".......and I told mine.
Feel free to disagre with my opinion....but you can´t judge mine as the wrong one, because (remember your theard)..."Juji simply started his opinion"....so, was exactly I did too........started my opnion.
He hate Myst........and I love it. Then - I'm in the wrong side?
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| 18 APR 2003 at 1:37am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Fickfack is correct. Well, I really don't like Myst, but you get the idea.
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| 19 APR 2003 at 6:45pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fickfack (17 APR 2003 6:31pm)
I think both of those posts were tongue in cheek.
Greet me a lot, to defend Myst-like games....because, much opinions against Myst/Riven-like games, could be influence the adventure develpoment in the future.
So, join me in the battle against myst haters....if you still like the myst stylle games.
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| 19 APR 2003 at 8:13pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I'd create my own responses to those questions, but Aya Brea already posted my responses for me.
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| 20 APR 2003 at 5:16pm |
| Deleted User | I'd create my own responses to those questions, but Aya Brea already posted my responses for me.
And that just about sums up this topic. Might as well just let it die again because everyone has already posted their opinions and all the old forumers will just go at it again.
I can't make you like Myst, and you can't make me hate it. Might as well just accept that they're different styles of adventures. I don't play survival horror games but if you do like those style of games I'm not going to be able to talk you out of liking them. All of these arguments essentially come down to two people liking a different genre. We can talk aroung in circles for weeks but it won't change anyone's opinion.
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| 20 APR 2003 at 6:24pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Nah, I don't really like survival horror, either. I didn't even finish Resident Evil 2 when I had it for Playstation.
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| 11 MAY 2003 at 6:52pm |
RismiIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | 1. Is Myst a good game?
Yes... if you like the style. We are fans of that fantasy-type (as well in games as in movies). Ok, it's mechanical and the puzzles are far from easy, but that makes it interesting. Also because the puzzles and the whole game is build up in a logical way... with enough surprises to keep you interested.
2. Is Myst a bad game?
Not at all. Same as 1
3. Did Myst attract new gamers to the genre?
Don't know... don't have a sight on that, but looking at the selling numbers... it must be
4. Did Myst repel old gamers?
Even less sight on that as on 3... Really don't know
5. Was Myst one of the worst things that happened to the genre?
Definitely no !!! I think Myst gave it a new impuls... The game might not be perfect... but it's for sure a good thing that happened to the genre. Why ? Because it has enough quality to attract new (and probably also 'old') gamers. I can understand that someone doesn't like it, but that's a discussion about type of story... a discussion without an end. I don't think that someone honestly can say that Myst has no quality.
Of the Myst trilogy, we found Riven the best. Yes... Exile was not really a disappointment... although, we felt it a bit as a step back. We hope that Ubisoft & Cyan will make a good job with Uru again.
Ri&Smi
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| 11 MAY 2003 at 7:09pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Rismi (11 MAY 2003 6:52pm)
1. Is Myst a good game?
Yes... if you like the style.
Bingo! Rismi has just resolved this entire debate folks! Give them a hand!
Originally Posted By Rismi (11 MAY 2003 6:52pm)
We are fans of that fantasy-type (as well in games as in movies). Ok, it's mechanical and the puzzles are far from easy, but that makes it interesting. Also because the puzzles and the whole game is build up in a logical way... with enough surprises to keep you interested.
2. Is Myst a bad game?
Not at all. Same as 1
3. Did Myst attract new gamers to the genre?
Don't know... don't have a sight on that, but looking at the selling numbers... it must be
Obviously- the best-selling PC game of all time must have attracted at least a couple of new gamers to the genre.
Originally Posted By Rismi (11 MAY 2003 6:52pm)
4. Did Myst repel old gamers?
Even less sight on that as on 3... Really don't know
Does anyone here know any old adventure gamers that loved adventure games until they played Myst and then decided they now hated adventures and would never play them again? Even if Myst was a horrible game it shouldn't repel old gamers from the genre. I didn't like Odyssey but I got over it.
Originally Posted By Rismi (11 MAY 2003 6:52pm)
5. Was Myst one of the worst things that happened to the genre?
Definitely no !!! I think Myst gave it a new impuls... The game might not be perfect... but it's for sure a good thing that happened to the genre. Why ? Because it has enough quality to attract new (and probably also 'old') gamers. I can understand that someone doesn't like it, but that's a discussion about type of story... a discussion without an end. I don't think that someone honestly can say that Myst has no quality.
Of the Myst trilogy, we found Riven the best. Yes... Exile was not really a disappointment... although, we felt it a bit as a step back. We hope that Ubisoft & Cyan will make a good job with Uru again.
Very insightful analysis and a fitting conclusion to this thread.
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| 12 MAY 2003 at 12:54am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fickfack (11 MAY 2003 7:09pm)
Obviously- the best-selling PC game of all time must have attracted at least a couple of new gamers to the genre.
MYST attracted me to the genre and I am forever grateful. I loved playing MYST and I love MYST-style games (1st person exploration).
Very insightful analysis and a fitting conclusion to this thread.
You wish. Sorry, couldn't help it. It was a fitting conclusion and I just wanted to add a little more.
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 12 MAY 2003 at 7:43am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Rismi (11 MAY 2003 6:52pm)
I can understand that someone doesn't like it, but that's a discussion about type of story... a discussion without an end.
It's also about perspective and puzzles, to name a few.
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| 12 MAY 2003 at 7:59pm |
RismiIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Unity (12 MAY 2003 7:43am)
It's also about perspective and puzzles, to name a few.
Yeah, probably it's not that easy to resolve a debate like this Fickfack ... Although Unity, what's concerned puzzles, I see that as a part of what I call 'style'... you could call it 'style of puzzles'. But What do you mean with perspective ? ???
Ri&Smi
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| 13 MAY 2003 at 7:26am |
| Deleted User | I was referring to the player perspective, as in first-person vs. third-person. One of the major reasons why I didn't like Myst was because I don't like first-person perspective (which means I'm missing out on a lot of games, I guess ). I couldn't see the character, and found it hard to relate.
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| 13 MAY 2003 at 10:45am |
RismiIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | :-[ er... meanwhile I knew what you meant with perspective. There's another discussion here about that.
The question was even if Myst is a 1st, 2nd, 3th person game.
I answered there that I think that the creators of Myst did a great job with keeping that unclear... Indeed you can't see the character... or you have to put a mirror behind your screen... since I think the character is supposed to be you.
Somebody else said that it are the worlds of Myst who are in fact the protagonists... in another way, that the game is controlling you. I can find myself in that too.
Anyway, I think Myst is different from other adventure games... that it has it's own..(yes, I know it becomes ennoying) style.
Ri&Smi
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| 15 MAY 2003 at 8:43am |
colpetSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | As a newish member, I would like to add my support for Myst, and all other adventure games like it. Riven was the first game I played and I have been hooked on these type of games ever since. I love the solitude and challenge of the puzzles. I am grateful for their influence on other developers - Schizm, Rhem and Darkfall being excellent examples of newer games that are in a similar vein. I will continue to look forward to games of this type.
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| 20 MAY 2003 at 6:02pm |
jamarchandSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Unity (13 MAY 2003 7:26am)
I was referring to the player perspective, as in first-person vs. third-person. One of the major reasons why I didn't like Myst was because I don't like first-person perspective (which means I'm missing out on a lot of games, I guess ). I couldn't see the character, and found it hard to relate.
Great advice to you! The next time you play a 1st person game, put a mirror in front of you...this way, you'll see the character!
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| 20 MAY 2003 at 6:49pm |
| Deleted User | LOL! Take it with a pinch of salt, Unity!
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| 21 MAY 2003 at 9:53pm |
| Deleted User | With that many smileys, how can I not?
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