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3 OCT 2006 at 6:52pm

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While Adventure games are commonly talked about on these forums as a forgotten genre there are other genres that have been almost forgotten as well.  One of these is the shmup.  What is shmup?  It's short for shoot em up, a game where you control a flying object (usually a spaceship or aircraft but other things like fairies and insects can be used) to fight a large amount of enemies in stages to beat the game.  The most popular ones are the Gradius and R-type series but there are many others.  These games were popular during the 8-bit and 16-bit days.  They also appeared in arcades.  But when the 32-bite systems appeared and 3d was the way of the days shumps lost their popularity.  Now very few of these types of games are released every year.  Gone are the days of blasting various enemies and bosses in this genre.

The majority of these games that are in my posession are the Gradius series but there are some others I really prefer over this series.  Axelay, Einhandler and Forgotten Worlds are my favorite of this genre.

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3 OCT 2006 at 11:30pm

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Actually, its still alive and kicking: http://www.classicgaming.com/shmups/

You can also go to any of the portals (RealArcade, Oberon, BigFish) and find a pretty good selection.


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4 OCT 2006 at 2:12pm

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shmups? i've never heard them been called that way before! but i'm a huge fan of the good old...erm... shmups! i play them on amiga all the time... project x (my fav!), x-out, z-out, r-type, hybrid, blood money, menace, silkworm and lots more... and with ppl too: commando (my fav!), ikari warriors, who dares wins etc etc... the list is endless... i am so content i do not need any new stuff!

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5 OCT 2006 at 1:08am

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Originally Posted By Aya (4 OCT 2006 2:12pm)
shmups? i've never heard them been called that way before! but i'm a huge fan of the good old...erm... shmups! i play them on amiga all the time... project x (my fav!), x-out, z-out, r-type, hybrid, blood money, menace, silkworm and lots more... and with ppl too: commando (my fav!), ikari warriors, who dares wins etc etc... the list is endless... i am so content i do not need any new stuff!


Like to point out Aya that Commando and Ikari Warriors are somewhat considered a different genre called Run N' Gun, another forgotten genre.  The best know has to be the Contra series but some other ones include Gunstar Heroes (actually that's the only one I can think of.)

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5 OCT 2006 at 1:55pm

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Originally Posted By chronotigger65 (5 OCT 2006 1:08am)
Like to point out Aya that Commando and Ikari Warriors are somewhat considered a different genre called Run N' Gun, another forgotten genre.  The best know has to be the Contra series but some other ones include Gunstar Heroes (actually that's the only one I can think of.)

bah, i reject those weird subgenres! i mean, forgotten worlds has ppl too, and xenon is vertical but they're both called shoot em ups... why would it be any different if it's ppl and vertical?! to me there are two types: horizontal and vertical (and a few that do both)... that's it! (talking about 2d of course)

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6 OCT 2006 at 8:01pm

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Don't let Kenta Cho hear that the genre is dead: Go and visit http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~cs8k-cyu/index_e.html  Especially 'rRootage' is addictive.

Another great one is 'Warning Forever'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warning_Forever has some info.

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11 OCT 2006 at 6:47pm
Deleted UserHey Aya and I seem to come from the same background, played them all in those days *sigh*. Well Amiga OS 5 just was announced while the community still is waiting for OS 4 since 3 or so years. Guess Amiga is really dead *sniff*. But there are tons of this arcade style shooters, even today. One of the last successful (and good) ones is "Ikaruga" for Dreamcast and later on also other consoles (PS2, XBox). That game really rocks!
Else there are tons of freeware or shareware games for the PC.

11 OCT 2006 at 8:35pm

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I agree that the Shmup genre isn't really dead with the stuff on the internet.  It just seems that the genre is almost forgotten with the video game developers.  We only get several released a year.  It seems that the way to go with this is with 3D games like Starfox.

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12 OCT 2006 at 12:27pm
Deleted UserBetter to have a few and they are good as to have tons and they are bad. We should face it, the millions of games of past generations mostly were pretty bad.

12 OCT 2006 at 2:10pm

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Originally Posted By Ogre (11 OCT 2006 6:47pm)
Hey Aya and I seem to come from the same background, played them all in those days *sigh*. Well Amiga OS 5 just was announced while the community still is waiting for OS 4 since 3 or so years. Guess Amiga is really dead *sniff*. But there are tons of this arcade style shooters, even today. One of the last successful (and good) ones is "Ikaruga" for Dreamcast and later on also other consoles (PS2, XBox). That game really rocks!
Else there are tons of freeware or shareware games for the PC.

if your amiga days were preceded by spectrum and atari 2600 then our backgrounds are exact copies!!! (you had a c64 afaik though)... anyway, i have given up on the "new" amigas and o/s's years ago... and believe me, i was one of the last ppl that gave up - the ones that are left may never give up! i used to work at a computer store in 1998-1999 and i kept amigas there and brought new software etc... but eventually i realized there's no hope and pulled the plug! the good old stuff though are alive, and will always be... classic amiga is smth like classic rock - will never die! [smiley=rockin.gif]

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12 OCT 2006 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted By Aya (12 OCT 2006 2:10pm)
if your amiga days were preceded by spectrum and atari 2600 then our backgrounds are exact copies!!! (you had a c64 afaik though)... anyway, i have given up on the "new" amigas and o/s's years ago... and believe me, i was one of the last ppl that gave up - the ones that are left may never give up! i used to work at a computer store in 1998-1999 and i kept amigas there and brought new software etc... but eventually i realized there's no hope and pulled the plug! the good old stuff though are alive, and will always be... classic amiga is smth like classic rock - will never die! [smiley=rockin.gif]

Well my computer days started in 1984 with my uncles and a friends C64 before I got my own C64 a year later. Before I got the C64 I borrowed a Schneider CPC (the German Spectrum just put in a different case) for some months. Never had any Atari hardware, though. The Amiga came pretty late, I mostly played at some friends places before I got my own in 91(!). My Amiga 500 was pimped like hell over time with turbo board, 9,5MB RAM, 100MB HDD, external Genlock and RGB Splitter and some other stuff (Action Replay, external floppy etc.). I wasted a lot of money on it before I tried to upgrade to 3.1 Roms and Workbench and ruined the mainboard in that process :-(
The following time I was more playing console games before I got a PC in 1995. So basically I went the ordinary European computer addicts way ^^  still I do install UAE and dwell in memories at times. (and also hope someone will give me his old Amiga... hehe). I still have about 100 Amiga games and applications all in their original boxes on my shelf (and I admit about 1k of "schoolyard copies" but I guess most don't run anymore since they are in a box on the attic.  
A friend of mine was using his Amiga 1200 HD up to a couple of years ago, he had it in a tower case including turbo and graphics board (he even has an Amiga CD32 console). Well, we spent much time in front of his 1200 despite we all also had PC's then. I wouldn't mind having a machine like an Amiga again but I agree, it is dead and was buried long ago and anything now coming out with the name Amiga has not much to do since the Amiga was a piece of hard- and software combined beautifully. (Funny that it was made by ex Atari developers while the Atari ST was made by ex Commodore developers).



12 OCT 2006 at 4:34pm

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the a500 was the machine to work on! i got mine in 1988 (on which i played my first adventure!), and since then i've been creating a monster! the add-ons were great, extra mem, hard drive and cdrom (i was one of the very very few ppl in greece who had an hd and cdrom for the a500)... but the biggest fun was messing with the insides! with the help of a friend, who has a degree in electrical stuff, i had installed 3 switches in the back of the a500... one switch was for kick1.3/2.0, the other was for .5/1 mb chip and the third was a pal/ntsc switch... this one was really useful for adventures, esp all sierra and lucasarts ones, who ran at 320x200, leaving a big black line at the bottom of the screen... switching to ntsc made them full screen and they ran a little faster! i also experimented with different denise's and different fat agnus's... in the end, i tried to create a kickstart tree of swappers, trying to connect kick1.2, 1.3, 2.0 and 3.0 on two switches, which resulted in the destroying of all my swapper boards! the motherboard was intact though, so i left kick1.3 in... unfort, in time the hd, some of the mem and the disk drive deteriorated :'(

on the other hand, although i upgraded my a1200 (bought in 1994) like crazy, it didn't have the charm the a500... it was almost as cold and blunt as it is upgrading a pc! finally, in 1999, when working at the aforementioned store, i found in their storage an original a1000, with the makers' signatures, boxed and in perfect condition and looks, except the disk drive didn't work 100%... i grabbed it of course for 30000 drachmas (equivalent of 90 eur)... i still have all my amigas, but all put out of commission - i only use winuae, for which i have thousands of adf/dms files, and i have the pc version of the digital joysticks i had for my amigas (called pac-man!)... amigas are still used at alkis' house for kick off tournaments! 8-)

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12 OCT 2006 at 5:02pm
Deleted UserWow nice collection! I forgot I also have an Amiga CDROM but I couldn't use it at the same time as the harddrive since both were for the connection port on the left side. The Amiga 1000 was supposed to have all developer autographs "under its hood" I would love to lay my fingers on one of those. I remember when I bought some stuff for my C64 in december 85 they had the Amiga 1000 at the store for 5000 Marks (a small fortune back then... lol, its about 2500 Euro) and I was in awe for its Deluxe Paint graphics (that Cheops head) and of course later on the Cinemaware games.
I was basically trying to do the same as you with the kickstart switches only that I was too dumb to use the soldering iron correctly I guess. Also I later on read that not all Amiga 500 were upgradable depending on the mainboard version.
Hmm in case I ever come to Greece one day let's have a Kick Off tournament at alkis place...  [smiley=hi_five.gif]

12 OCT 2006 at 5:16pm

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Originally Posted By Ogre (12 OCT 2006 5:01pm)
Wow nice collection! I forgot I also have an Amiga CDROM but I couldn't use it at the same time as the harddrive since both were for the connection port on the left side.

this is why i carefully chose all that hardware to have a connection port on their left side too... that was not possible with the cdrom, since the a570 was the only one available then (all commodore expansions did not leave another left side port open for some reason)... my fast mem and hd were from supra though, and they accepted more on the left... so the config was, from right to left, amiga+fastmem+hd+cdrom! the lenght was twice the length of a standalone a500!


The Amiga 1000 was supposed to have all developer autographs "under its hood"

yes, that's where they are, embossed! there's also a dog pawprint! apparently one of the developers' dog

I would love to lay my fingers on one of those. I remember when I bought some stuff for my C64 in december 85 they had the Amiga 1000 at the store for 5000 Marks (a small fortune back then... lol, its about 2500 Euro) and I was in awe for its Deluxe Paint graphics (that Cheops head) and of course later on the Cinemaware games.

i can't even count the hours spent in front of deluxe paint! as for cinemaware, it was those games that made ppl's jaws smash on the floor! most of them had their gameplay probs, but when you looked at them back then you thought you were dreaming!

I was basically trying to do the same as you with the kickstart switches only that I was too dumb to use the soldering iron correctly I guess. Also I later on read that not all Amiga 500 were upgradable depending on the mainboard version.

it would make no difference if i used a soldering iron or a flaming sword on a motherboard - yes, i am that bad! that's why i brought my friend into play... the kickstart swappers i used didn't need that though, they just snapped on... i also remember about the motherboards... that was also a big issue with the a1200's... i actually had to replace the motherboard in mine with a different model when i wanted to upgrade to 060, cause mine had compatibility issues

Hmm in case I ever come to Greece one day let's have a Kick Off tournament at alkis place...  [smiley=hi_five.gif]

where were you last november? the kick off world cup took place in germany... i missed it unfort, since i live in the usa now, but there is a big ko community in germany... if you're good, then you need to come to alkis' place and show us what you got! (make sure it's during the time i am visiting though!)

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15 OCT 2006 at 1:21am

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I just found this game called Harmotion about 10 minutes ago. It's a free online versus vertical shooter, and quite fun to play. You can download the game at http://www.Harmotion.com.

Here are some screenshots I’ve linked from their website:

[img]http://www.harmotion.com//images/stories/screenshots/screenshot_9-21q_small.jpg[/img]  [img]http://www.harmotion.com//images/stories/screenshots/screenshot_9-21d_small.jpg[/img]  [img]http://www.harmotion.com//images/stories/screenshots/screenshot_7-12d_small.jpg[/img]

They even have online rankings on their website. Hehe, I am rank 56  


I think this game has a lot of potential to become quite big, it’s just lacking some more players on the server to meet its full potential.


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15 OCT 2006 at 7:01pm

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Originally Posted By Aya (12 OCT 2006 2:10pm)
Originally Posted By Ogre (11 OCT 2006 6:47pm)
Hey Aya and I seem to come from the same background, played them all in those days *sigh*. Well Amiga OS 5 just was announced while the community still is waiting for OS 4 since 3 or so years. Guess Amiga is really dead *sniff*. But there are tons of this arcade style shooters, even today. One of the last successful (and good) ones is "Ikaruga" for Dreamcast and later on also other consoles (PS2, XBox). That game really rocks!
Else there are tons of freeware or shareware games for the PC.

if your amiga days were preceded by spectrum and atari 2600 then our backgrounds are exact copies!!! (you had a c64 afaik though)... anyway, i have given up on the "new" amigas and o/s's years ago... and believe me, i was one of the last ppl that gave up - the ones that are left may never give up! i used to work at a computer store in 1998-1999 and i kept amigas there and brought new software etc... but eventually i realized there's no hope and pulled the plug! the good old stuff though are alive, and will always be... classic amiga is smth like classic rock - will never die! [smiley=rockin.gif]


That was what prompted me to change over to the IBM too. I went to work for a computer store that only sold IBM and I always used the Amiga at home.   I first brought home a 386SX started playing around with it. I played games like Hugo's House of Horrors and thought they were crude compared to what the Amiga could do at the time.  When the 486 with the VGA graphic system came out I saw where IBM was going places and Amiga was not so I started spending more time learning the IBM.  I was only doing monitor repair at the conputer store so I didn't have to know the IBM too well at the time. I switched to IBM after the AGA chip set came out with the new OS for the amiga and made a lot of the older games unplayable.
A lot of those old shmups and platformers were just too simple so people got board after playing them a while but they are still fun to play now and then and are great for game consoles.
 



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10 NOV 2006 at 10:20am

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Here's a new one:

http://www.gamexzone.com/x-avenger.htm


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