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| 12 SEP 2006 at 2:11pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | How old is Romeo?
What finger does a promise ring go on?
What are his prospects (apart from her). Jeepers.....
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 4:18pm |
SusanGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Stupid question: What is a promise ring? Let me rephrase that, as I know it's a ring that signifies something, but what exactly?
Michelle, I'm sure you'll find that your daughter will be a very good driver when you're around and that she will practice safe driving habits when you're around that she will carry with her, along with your good advice, for when she gets her license and is driving solo when you're not around.
I miss my Bubba: 1986 - 2006.
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 4:42pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | IMO, it is too much like an engagement ring! As I understand it (although these things keep changing), a promise ring is a sort of 'We're too young or our relationship is too new for an engagement, but this (promise) ring is both a commitment to our a relationship and an implied promise that a true engagement is next when we are old enough and/or our relationship is more mature.'
My daughter got a promise ring when she was in well into her twenties and got an engagement ring a year later, but at age fifteen??
Years ago, simple rings implying that you were 'going steady' were common, but that practice seems to have largely fallen by the wayside. Is it possible that promise rings have taken their place. Still, the problem with the pictured ring is that it looks like an engagement ring.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 4:55pm |
SusanGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By SirDave (12 SEP 2006 4:42pm)
IMO, it is too much like an engagement ring! As I understand it (although these things keep changing), a promise ring is a sort of 'We're too young or our relationship is too new for an engagement, but this (promise) ring is both a commitment to our a relationship and an implied promise that a true engagement is next when we are old enough and/or our relationship is more mature.'
That's what I thought. Can we get these kids interested in a hobby? If promise rings are being given, they need to focus on something else for a bit. The next few years in a person's life take people through many other life experiences. Someone can be "there for you" but they don't have to always [literally] be there for you.
I wonder if this is the same gentleman Michelle posted about before? 8-)
I miss my Bubba: 1986 - 2006.
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 5:43pm |
alkis21Schattenjger
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Status : Offline | Keep in mind that a teenage boy probably has no idea what an engagement ring should look like... hell, I hadn't a year ago. He just bought what looked nice to him.
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 6:46pm |
ShadowWalkerJourneyman
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[size=16]Michelle......take a look at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise_ring
http://www.msu.mcmaster.ca/sil/archives/001102/life/promise.htm
http://honeymoons.about.com/od/onlineshopping/f/promise_rings.htm
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=73389
[size=16]And for the driving....................
http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/driving/articles/73570/article.html
[size=16]If you have a 4x4......
http://www.leonardmotorsports.net/pr01.htm
http://www.oncourse4wd.com/
http://www.advanced-driving.net/4x4.html
[size=16]
For reaaaaaaaallllllllllllyyyyyyyyy agressive/defensive driving lessons.......
http://www.bobbyoresports.com/
www.bondurant.com/courses/courses.html
http://www.crossroadstrng.com/crossroads_003.htm
http://www.raceschools.com/race_schools.php#performance
http://www.nsc.org/training/
http://www.1adsi.com/
http://www.advanced-driving.net/security.html
[size=16]These are just a few to get you started and looking...........
Hope it helps
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 7:34pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By alkis21 (12 SEP 2006 5:43pm)
Keep in mind that a teenage boy probably has no idea what an engagement ring should look like... hell, I hadn't a year ago. He just bought what looked nice to him.
So my 'parent' take on that would be- I'd be worried about him giving any ring of any kind to my daughter until he was old enough to know an engagement ring from a promise ring or any other kind of ring.
BTW: I checked on ShadowWalker's Wikipedia reference: Maybe Michelle can make use of the final paragraph:
In certain religious groups, where the concept of premarital sex is shunned, a promise ring can be worn by a person to indicate that they have made a vow to put off having sex until they are married.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 7:55pm |
SusanGuild Master
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Status : Offline | After thought: How much did he pay for this ring?
It's well-known that how much you care about a person is indicated by how much you spend on them.
I miss my Bubba: 1986 - 2006.
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 8:52pm |
ShadowWalkerJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Susan (12 SEP 2006 7:55pm)
After thought: How much did he pay for this ring?
It's well-known that how much you care about a person is indicated by how much you spend on them.
Hello There!
So.........you mean to tell me that if a decent, hard working, frugal,and average guy who thinks that you are the "ONE" and who would make a wonderful companion for life for you, would not stand a chance with one who can lavish you with gold, emeralds and diamonds; but wants you only for your figure and your services as a "sex plaything" for a while would be the one getting your attentions! [smiley=raise_eyebrow.gif]
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 9:35pm |
The WolfboySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Actually, me and my guy have been toying with an idea like this for a while. But we're poor studenty types, so we've been toying with picking up some of the plastic Lord of the Rings rings that they made based on the movies.
Ideas are Narya and Vilya..
[img]http://www.webalice.it/edoras/anello-narya.jpg[/img][img]http://www.webalice.it/edoras/anello-vilya.jpg[/img]
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 9:51pm |
alkis21Schattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By SirDave (12 SEP 2006 7:34pm)
In certain religious groups, where the concept of premarital sex is shunned, a promise ring can be worn by a person to indicate that they have made a vow to put off having sex until they are married.
[smiley=laughing.gif] I suggest giving it to the lad in paper, after revising it accordingly:
[s]In certain religious groups, where the concept of premarital sex is shunned,[/s] a promise ring [s]can be[/s] is worn by a person to indicate that they have made a vow to put off having sex until they are married.
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 9:53pm |
| Deleted User | Bottom line:
do they use condoms?
[img]http://www.feelconfident.co.uk/condoms/condoms_pictures/condoms.gif[/img]
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 10:47pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | Bloody hell.... 15 and sex.... no... No...... NOOOOOoooooo......... !!!!!!
Michelle's little girl needs to concentrate on her studies and admit to herself that she may just change her mind and if she does - then that's OKAY. I have every confidence that Michelle will [s]indoctrinate[/s]... er... inform her daughter of the best approach to take. Whether her daughter listens, is anyone's guess. Everything they say about teenage girls - is true.
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 11:25pm |
ShadowWalkerJourneyman
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15 years old............
Michelle might have to tell her daughter that she is very worried about this.....
Really discuss it and tell her daughter that she would like to sit down with a counselor, not for the daughters sake........but for her.......to be able to express to her daughter her fears about this.
If the daughter gets the idea that her mother really needs a counsellor to open up.....maybe she might consider that her mother really cares for her to go to a counsellor and help her open up to her daughter and have her daughter open up in a non-judgmental setting.
Yep..........everything that it is said about 15 year old girls is not only true......but it is underrated also many times.
Sorry Michelle. You really have to come and have a soul talk with your daughter even if it is through a professional that will help both of you discuss.....or you will indeed go out of your mind.
You sound like you really care.
I hope that your daughter feels that she can really open up to you as well.
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| 12 SEP 2006 at 11:54pm |
MissBSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Susan (12 SEP 2006 4:54pm)
I wonder if this is the same gentleman Michelle posted about before? 8-)
You mean the one I threatened to stab in the throat if he let anything happen to my little baby girl? Yeah, it's him.
He came over last night and I re-mentioned and expanded the threat to include s-e-x.
Honestly, I like the guy and my daughter thinks she loves him ("AND DON'T TELL ME I DON'T, MOM" *SOB*), but in this situation, my like or dislike is irrelevant. I'm in charge of steering her future to a path a little brighter than marrying too young and having 6 kids that she lets wander around the trailer park with Kool-Aid moustaches and dirty diapers.
She's trying to sell me the story that a promise ring is the modern version of going steady......I'm not sure if I'm buying it yet, though. She's shown me a couple of pictures of her friends on myspace.com who have similar rings, so maybe it's true.
I don't know how much her boyfriend spent on it.....somewhere around $300, I'm guessing. And if you follow the rule that a man should spend 3 months salary on a ring, then he overspent out the a$$ considering he quit high school and doesn't have a job.
Although I'm concerned, I can't help but find this all a little, well, cute. She talks about him all the time and still blushes when she answers the phone and it's him. And he's scared sh*tless of me even though I'm half his size, so he's all "Yes ma'am" and "No ma'am".......and then I say, "that's right, b*tch".....well, okay, I just think that last part, but I think it REALLY LOUD
My name is Bethany and I'm the daughter of Gamergal/Michelle.
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| 13 SEP 2006 at 12:08am |
MissBSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (12 SEP 2006 10:47pm)
Bloody hell.... 15 and sex.... no... No...... NOOOOOoooooo......... !!!!!!
She's not having sex....at least, not yet.
How do I know this? Because I'm a spy. I read her diary, I read her text messages, I read all her IM's, and I read all her e-mails. I also listen in to her phone calls. And she has no idea.......<insert evil laugh here> [smiley=devil_smiley_grintail.gif]
My name is Bethany and I'm the daughter of Gamergal/Michelle.
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| 13 SEP 2006 at 12:16am |
ShadowWalkerJourneyman
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So let me see if I understand this..............
Your daughter is fifteen.
Her boyfriend gives her a "friendhip ring"
[CAPITALS FOR CLARITY----NOT SHOUTING]
QUESTION....HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEING DATING
He spent over $300 dollars?
He quit High School?
He does not have a job?
QUESTION. WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR THE RING?
Your daughter blushes when he calls?
She is trying to convince you that this is okay.
Even showing pictures on the internet that this is okay.
QUESTION. WHERE IS THIS GUY GOING IN HIS LIFE.
QUESTION. WHAT ARE HIS PLANS FOR THE FUTURE.
QUESTION. OES YOUR DAUGHTER FIGHT YOU WHEN YOU EXPRESS DOUBTS ABOUT HIM?
Seems to me that your daughter might be more in LOVE with the idea of HAVING a boyfriend and the idea of BEING IN LOVE than possibly LOVING THIS GUY?
She now has standing with her other friends about having a boyfriend and a frindship ring.
QUESTION. O YOU KNOW WHERE BOY LIVES.
QUESTION. O YOU KNOW WHO ARE THE BOY'S PARENTS.
QUESTION. HAVE YOU MET BOY'S PARENTS.
QUESTION. HAS YOUR DAUGHTER MET HER BOYFRIENDS PARENTS.
QUESTION. WHO WAS THIS GUYS GIRLFRIENDS BEFORE.
QUESTION. HAVE YOU MET THIS GUYS GIRLFRIENDS.
QUESTION. CAN ANYONE TELL YOU ABOUT THIS GUYS FORMER GIRLFRIENDS.
You might get a better picture about him.
She may not be having sex now...........but sex is not the picture here.......
The picture is control and manipulation......is he the right one for her......or is he afraid that she will in time realize that he is not.
Moving too fast does not mean that it will not work....but it makes it harder for your daughter to back out if it is not a right move.
If he has never had other girlfriends.....giving your daughter a friendship ring might be an attempt to cull her from the herd so to speak.
QUESTION. HOW POSSESSIVE IS HE TO TRY TO SEAL THE DEAL SO SOON.
QUESTION. IS IT OUT OF TRUE LOVE OR MANIPULATION TO KEEP HER AWAY FROM OTHERS.
Girls this young are not usually very smart....that is a fact.
When young girls are courted, they usually are too ripe for the wrong guy speaking the RIGHT LINES, and SWEET NOTHINGS.
When these young girls grow up finally, usually guys they formerly dated do not make the cut at all.
And they know it!
Sorry.....you may have to proceed very cautiously....particularly when your daughter may be smitten with this guy.....love.....??????
She could go behind your back....and you could not stop this....that is a fact also.
Too many questions and ground to cover now.....
BIGGEST QUESTION IS.........WHO IS HE REALLY!
NOT THE ONE YOU SEE..................BUT THE ONE THAT YOU DO NOT SEE.....
WHEN HE KNOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT THERE.....NOT AT HOME.....BUT IN THE REST OF HIS LIFE....
PERSONAL LIFE AND FAMILY LIFE.
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| 13 SEP 2006 at 12:47am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | I had a steady boyfriend when I was 14 for a couple of years. We never did sex and we broke up after he'd gone off to University and it was just the right thing to do. Kids grow up.
Michelle has this lad's number and it sounds like he knows it. He's not working and has dropped out of school. If Michelle's daughter stays in High School and then goes to college, she'll simply grow out of this boy. Right now though, she's drunk on the delightful feelings of being considered sexy and adorable by a young man. She's not into herself enough to start picking a man who is worthy of her yet but she will be. Michelle will see to that one.
I'm sure Michelle will take good care of her baby.
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| 13 SEP 2006 at 1:25am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | What would Dr. Phil say?
More importantly, what would Brian Boitano say?
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 13 SEP 2006 at 1:36am |
MissBSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By SirDave (13 SEP 2006 1:25am)
More importantly, what would Brian Boitano say?
[smiley=rofl.gif]
He'd make a plan and he'd follow through, that's what Brian Boitano'd do!
My name is Bethany and I'm the daughter of Gamergal/Michelle.
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| 13 SEP 2006 at 2:07am |
SusanGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By ShadowWalker (12 SEP 2006 8:52pm)
So.........you mean to tell me that if a decent, hard working, frugal,and average guy who thinks that you are the "ONE" and who would make a wonderful companion for life for you, would not stand a chance with one who can lavish you with gold, emeralds and diamonds; but wants you only for your figure and your services as a "sex plaything" for a while would be the one getting your attentions! [smiley=raise_eyebrow.gif]
My figure? Oh, he's one of THOSE types.
And you can't eat gold, emeralds, or diamonds. Er, let me rephrase that. I'm not a jewelry person. Buy me an adventure game and I'm happy.
Originally Posted By Michelle (13 SEP 2006 12:08am)
How do I know this? Because I'm a spy. I read her diary, I read her text messages, I read all her IM's, and I read all her e-mails. I also listen in to her phone calls. And she has no idea.......<insert evil laugh here> [smiley=devil_smiley_grintail.gif]
She's [s]un[/s]fortunate that you're so [s]intrusive[/s] caring.
I miss my Bubba: 1986 - 2006.
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| 13 SEP 2006 at 9:56am |
alkis21Schattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Susan (13 SEP 2006 2:07am)
I'm not a jewelry person. Buy me an adventure game and I'm happy.
My kind of girl.
Some games are real jewels though... And I mean real DIAMONDS.
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| 13 SEP 2006 at 7:28pm |
anthonyJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Help. I don't get the Brian Boitano reference. That's the skating guy, right?
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| 13 SEP 2006 at 7:53pm |
Chris.Schattenjger
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Status : Online | I'm much more scared about the idea of 15-year-olds driving than 15-year-olds having sex... [smiley=shudder.gif]
...not to be confused with Keira Knightley
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