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| Deleted User | Going that far back, you have to put your 'classic film' hat on.
For one thing, you have to imagine what it was like to not only be a film maker in those days, you have to realized how new such a thing was to a viewer. There was much intrigue, previously taboo, mystery and adventure that we--as modern movie goers in a multi-billion dollar film industry--now find common place.
The people voting that film up on IMDb are enjoying many aspects of the film, including minute production details. Hitchcock was a film making genius pioneer and this was the genesis of his work (okay, maybe more like sophmore). To a Hitchcock devotee, minor plot holes are not that big of a deal.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 3:22am |
| Deleted User | By the way, I think you'll like North by Northwest. It came 24 years after 39 steps. I should own more Hitchcock--I don't, only one, and North by Northwest is it.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 4:29am |
MarkGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Bazza, Hitchcock movies aren't an Adventure game you have to figure out. Try and not be so modern-thinking, literate, or even logical. Even though Hitchcock had some decent scares, most of his movies are very tongue-in-cheek. A lot is merely alluded to. Enjoy the sets, the lighting, the women's shapely bodies, clothes and hairdos - and you'll be entertained.
Besides the obvious movies Hitchcock made - The Birds, Psycho, North by Northwest, Notorious, Vertigo, Rear Window, etc. - give any of these a try:Strangers on a Train is quite gay, and a heck of a lot of fun. Bruno and his mother. What a pair. You won't be disappointed with this one. Just get in the Hitchcockian groove - to paraphrase Speck - and you'll dig it.
Now, everyone knows that Hitchcock really intended Psycho to be a comedy, right. And that a pre-Leave it to Beaver Jerry Mathis is in The Trouble with Harry (along with the beautiful 21-year-old Shirley MacLaine, in her second film).
Crap. I just realized I only have one Hitchcock DVD - Strangers on a Train - and it was given to me by someone that bought a better edition with more extras or something.
I haven't seen any Hitchcock in a long time. Thanks for bringing him up!
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 8:36am |
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Status : Offline | Awww, Bazza, you really have to look at if for the time it was made. I enjoyed that film a lot. If it was made today, then yes, the dialogs wouldn't stand up. But the movies were young then and the plots easier to swallow.
Since we're on a Hitchcock kick, I just saw The Lady Vanishes last night. I enjoyed it as well, but it's similar to the easy to swallow plot of The 39 Steps.
Others that haven't been mentioned yet:
The Man Who Knew Too Much (the FIRST one from 1934)
The Skin Game (1931)
Jamaica Inn (1939)
Secret Agent (1936)
Sabotage (1936)
LifeBoat and Rear Window are excellent. The entire film(s) are shot in one location. LifeBoat on a lifeboat (obviously) and Rear Window in Jimmy Stewart's apartment living room. Pretty fascinating how Hitchcock could hold your interest the entire time just by character interactions. Rear Window was exceptionally good starring Jimmy Stewart and Grace Kelley and had me glued to the screen. Grace is phenominally beautiful and charming in that one and I can see how men desired her and women wanted to be her back then. Total class.
Torn Curtain (Paul Newman) and To Catch a Thief (Cary Grant) are fun too!
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 9:57am |
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Status : Offline | I enjoyed 39 steps but I saw it yonks ago.... also Vertigo and The Birds terrified me and Pyscho....
I've see the man who knew too much and north by north westbut can't remember them. Marnie.... didn't that star Sean Connery? I didn't like that one.
But old Bette Davis movies are magical. About a decade ago the fellow who put these old movies onto TV moved his show onto payTV so I don't get to watch them anymore. It was wonderful. He'd tell you all sorts of gossip about the movies and what to watch out for, etc. Really educational as well as entertaining.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 9:59am |
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I love all of Hitchcock's old films including one classic that I didn't see mentioned above - Dial M For Murder starring Ray Milland, Robert Cummings and the ever-gorgeous Grace Kelly. The wonderful British actor John Williams was simply superb as Chief Inspector Hubbard and the story (based on a stage play by Frederick Knott, who also adapted the screenplay) was genuinely gripping from beginning to end. The atmosphere was strangely melancholy though as the wife (played by Kelly) slowly realized what a monster her pompous husband really was. Fortunately, the clever inspector also figured that out and set up a very sly ruse to trick him into revealing his guilt.
Cheers, Terry
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 12:01pm |
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Status : Offline | Aah, a topic to my heart!
Must say I haven't seen The 39 Steps yet, but I love some of Hitchcock other films, most of which have already been mentioned here (Rebecca, The Birds, Psycho, Rear Window, Vertigo) and one I haven't seen mentioned here yet: Shadow of a Doubt. Hitchcock was never afraid to push the envelope, go for special shots, film things not according to typical Hollywood style and rules, to constantly break new ground. Look at Rope for example, a film seemingly consisting of only one 80 minutes long shot (there are several cuts, but they are mostly cleverly hidden). It was ideas like that and his realization of them that made Hitchcock a genius. In addition to that, he also had a very good sense of what worked with audiences, what would shock them, what would create suspense and idd, how to compensate for that with tongue in cheek humor. Plus, he told some marvelous stories as well of course. He also had a pretty good eye for the casting of leading ladies in his films, often casting an unknown, moulding her acting abilities and turning them into a star. Hitchcock certainly deserves his place in the hall of fame of film history. 8-)
It would be difficult to pick out only one of his films as my favourite. I probably would go for The Birds, alone for its ending: Spoiler Alert Refusing to give any closure or any explanation for the events, unheard of in those days, at least in Hollywood. It made the movie that more intriguing.
Oh, and one bit of extra trivia: The board of censorship did have issues with the famous shower scene in Psycho, but there was one other shot that was really the main issue of discussion between the filmmaker and the censors: a shot of a toilet. And it's not even used, the main character uses it to flush down some shreds of paper (and no, not toilet paper ). Yep, Psycho was the very first Hollywood film in which a toilet was shown. Big, big controversy naturally. : See, Hitchcock was revolutionary in more than one way.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 12:33pm |
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Status : Online | As in most of Hitchcock's spy thrillers, the main plot really isn't all that important. Just like in e.g. "To Catch a Thief" the interaction between the protagonists is really what makes this film so entertaining. So what if there are a lot of plot holes! This movie is a lot more entertaining and funny than a lot of movies made today. You simply shouldn't take this movie so serious! To me it seems more like a wonderful lighthearted comedy than a spy thriller. I personally even prefer "The 39 steps" above "North by Northwest', which I actually find to be too long.
As for other lesser known Hitchcock movies I can recommend that haven't been mentioned before:
The Lodger : His third silent movie and also the first true "hitchcock"-movie. Even though most of the time I find it rather difficult to watch silent movies, I really did like this one (apart from the end).
Blackmail : The first British sound-film. Overall a bit aged, but some very good experimenting with sound (the breakfast scene with the word "knife", which works a lot better than the jury-scene in "Murder!", in my opinion). This is also the first movie where he used a known landmark for the film's climax (the British Museum). For those interested, the movie can be watched here : " target="_blank">http://www.cuny.tv/series/citycine/listen.lasso
(Murder! and The 39 Steps can also be watched there)
Murder! : Not as good as "Blackmail" but still worth watching, if only for the climax.
The Man who Knew too Much (1934) : Not as good as the 1956 version, but still worth watching. It has a wonderful Peter Lorre in the role of the bad guy. This movie is also public domain so it can be downloaded here : http://www.archive.org/details/AHTheManWhoKnewTooMuch1934
Young and Innocent : A nice little "wrong man"-movie. Not my favourite one, but it does have some memorable scenes (like the one with the drummer).
Foreign Correspondent : One of Hitchcock's best spy thrillers, though nowadays it is mostly forgotten. Highly recommended!
Suspicion : Even though it is rather notorious because of its ending, this is in my opinion also a Hitchcock that nobody should miss.
I Confess : Even though not everyone seems to like this one, I loved it. It's another and rather interesting variation on the "wrong man"-theme. In my opinion, one of Hitchcock most underrated movies.
The Wrong Man : The only Hitchcock movie based on real events, this movie has a much more realistic feel to it than his other movies. Even though it uses the "wrong man"-theme, one of the themes Hitchcock used the most, the movie itself doesn't really feel al that "Hitchcockian". Nonetheless it is a very good movie and highly recommended.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 12:45pm |
JerrySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wimli (31 JUL 2006 12:01pm)
Aah, a topic to my heart!
Must say I haven't seen The 39 Steps yet, but I love some of Hitchcock other films, most of which have already been mentioned here (Rebecca, The Birds, Psycho, Rear Window, Vertigo) and one I haven't seen mentioned here yet: Shadow of a Doubt. Hitchcock was never afraid to push the envelope, go for special shots, film things not according to typical Hollywood style and rules, to constantly break new ground. Look at Rope for example, a film seemingly consisting of only one 80 minutes long shot (there are several cuts, but they are mostly cleverly hidden). It was ideas like that and his realization of them that made Hitchcock a genius. In addition to that, he also had a very good sense of what worked with audiences, what would shock them, what would create suspense and idd, how to compensate for that with tongue in cheek humor. Plus, he told some marvelous stories as well of course. He also had a pretty good eye for the casting of leading ladies in his films, often casting an unknown, moulding her acting abilities and turning them into a star. Hitchcock certainly deserves his place in the hall of fame of film history. 8-)
It would be difficult to pick out only one of his films as my favourite. I probably would go for The Birds, alone for its ending: Spoiler Alert Refusing to give any closure or any explanation for the events, unheard of in those days, at least in Hollywood. It made the movie that more intriguing.
Oh, and one bit of extra trivia: The board of censorship did have issues with the famous shower scene in Psycho, but there was one other shot that was really the main issue of discussion between the filmmaker and the censors: a shot of a toilet. And it's not even used, the main character uses it to flush down some shreds of paper (and no, not toilet paper ). Yep, Psycho was the very first Hollywood film in which a toilet was shown. Big, big controversy naturally. : See, Hitchcock was revolutionary in more than one way.
How could I have forgotten "Shadow of a Doubt" and "Rope", two very fine films indeed!
It's rather funny, I personally didn't like the Birds all that much, simply because of its ending. It did have a lot of atmosphere and style, it didn't have anything more than that. However, it has been quite some time since I saw it (probably close to 10 years), so maybe I'll look at it differently now.
My favourite Hitchcock is without a doubt "Vertigo". Mysterious, moving and at the same time scary, I can safely say that this is one of my favourite movies of all time. And don't forget the wonderful music by Bernard Herrmann!
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 12:49pm |
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Status : Online | Every Hitchcock film has at least one interesting thing in it (even the lesser ones). I thought I really hated Family Plot. But recently I rewatched it on TV only to find out I had been very well entertained some 2 hours later.
I love Rope, The lady vanishes, Shadow of a doubt, Spellbound and Young and innocent (feels like an AG). And, come to think of it, another 30 of his films ... I suppose .
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 2:28pm |
MarkGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Wimli (31 JUL 2006 12:01pm)
idd
Wimli, what does "idd" mean?
"I do declare!", as spoken by Scarlet O'Hara in Gone with the Wind?
Y'all've got to see Strangers on a Train! Why? Because it's one of his best, and because..., well, because it's the only one I own.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 3:25pm |
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Status : Offline | I'm a big fan of old movies but I've never been a huge Hitchcock fan. Notorious is probably my favorite but I don't think his films quite match-up with the old classics by other directors. I realize that I am in the minority on this one, but there it is.
And, I'll have you all know that I won't be bullied into becoming a Hitchcock fan either. You people don't own this site! When I first joined here, there were several of us who thought Hitchcock was overrated, but one by one, they got driven off the forum by harsh personal attacks from all you strident Hitchcock groupies. Well, I'm still here.
I just wish someone else would speak up as well. Where the hell is MichalN when you need him.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 4:37pm |
MarkGuild Master
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Where the hell is MichalN when you need him.
Oh, I think he's over in Politics & Religion, Anthony. You wanna see if I can get him for ya?
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 4:59pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Mark (31 JUL 2006 4:36pm)
Oh, I think he's over in Politics & Religion, Anthony. You wanna see if I can get him for ya?
Okay, but make sure he's not a Hitchcock fan before you send his a$$ over here.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 5:57pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Jerry (31 JUL 2006 12:44pm)
How could I have forgotten "Shadow of a Doubt" and "Rope", two very fine films indeed!
It's rather funny, I personally didn't like the Birds all that much, simply because of its ending. It did have a lot of atmosphere and style, it didn't have anything more than that. However, it has been quite some time since I saw it (probably close to 10 years), so maybe I'll look at it differently now.
My favourite Hitchcock is without a doubt "Vertigo". Mysterious, moving and at the same time scary, I can safely say that this is one of my favourite movies of all time. And don't forget the wonderful music by Bernard Herrmann!
Like I said, it is soooo hard to pick a favourite, as Hitchcock has made a lot of great, great films. His four holy masterpieces for me are Psycho, Vertigo, Rear Window and The Birds, with the latter having a slight edge over the others. The Birds contains some strong acting, for its time very interesting special effects and great dialogs. But, like you said, it's the atmosphere and style that made this film, together with a very peculiar ending. And Vertigo is indeed equally unforgettable. The only disappointing Hitchcock that I've seen is Topaz which is just too long and not anything special either from a story or technical point of view. There are also still a lot of his films that I have yet to see, especially the films form his British period, plus most from his films he made for Warner Brothers (except North By Northwest, saw that, but didn't like as much as the films from his Universal & Paramount period). Thanks for the links! Didn't know many of those films had become public domain, cool! 8-) And good to hear from you!
Originally Posted By Inie (31 JUL 2006 12:44pm)
And, come to think of it, another 30 of his films ... I suppose
You're right about that Inie! Very few directors can boast with an equally impressive body of work. 8-) Possibly Howard Hawks and Billy Wilder. Maybe John Ford too, but that would be about it. Btw, good to see you posting again! Nothing like a good movie conversation to bring back some much missed JA members.
Originally Posted By Mark (31 JUL 2006 12:44pm)
Wimli, what does "idd" mean?
Oops, that's short for 'indeed'. Seems like my msn turbo language slipped in for a moment.
Originally Posted By anthony (31 JUL 2006 12:44pm)
I'm a big fan of old movies but I've never been a huge Hitchcock fan. Notorious is probably my favorite but I don't think his films quite match-up with the old classics by other directors. I realize that I am in the minority on this one, but there it is.
And, I'll have you all know that I won't be bullied into becoming a Hitchcock fan either. You people don't own this site! When I first joined here, there were several of us who thought Hitchcock was overrated, but one by one, they got driven off the forum by harsh personal attacks from all you strident Hitchcock groupies. Well, I'm still here.
[smiley=rofl.gif] lol, too funny anthony!
And on a serious note, which directors do you like? I'm a big fan of old movies as well, and Hitchcock is not my personal favourite, but he has made a lot of great films that I do count among my favourites.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 7:08pm |
JerrySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wimli (31 JUL 2006 5:57pm)
Like I said, it is soooo hard to pick a favourite, as Hitchcock has made a lot of great, great films. His four holy masterpieces for me are Psycho, Vertigo, Rear Window and The Birds, with the latter having a slight edge over the others. The Birds contains some strong acting, for its time very interesting special effects and great dialogs. But, like you said, it's the atmosphere and style that made this film, together with a very peculiar ending. And Vertigo is indeed equally unforgettable. The only disappointing Hitchcock that I've seen is Topaz which is just too long and not anything special either from a story or technical point of view.
Topaz is indeed one of his more disapointing movies, but it does have some merits. I quite liked the first act, where the main character has to photograph some secret documents in the cuban headquarters. The second act, set in Cuba was not nearly as good, except for one brilliant shot when the girl gets shot (you see her dress unfolding in a way that it makes you think it's actually blood. The third act was, well... boring. But as I said, the movie does have some good points, which make it worth watching.
Originally Posted By Wimli (31 JUL 2006 5:57pm)
Thanks for the links! Didn't know many of those films had become public domain, cool! 8-) And good to hear from you!
You're welcome! Should you be interested, on the internet archive (the same site where you can get "The Man who knew too much" ) you can also get some other interesting movies, like "Meet John Doe" (Frank Capra), "Beat the Devil" (John Huston), "His Girl Friday" (Howard Hawks), "Scarlet Street" and "M" (both by Fritz Lang). And on google video I've also found "er Müde Tod" by Fritz Lang (one of Hitchcocks favourite movies when he was young), Birth of a Nation and Intolerance by D.W. Griffith and most of the old German Expressionist movies...
Originally Posted By Wimli (31 JUL 2006 5:57pm)
You're right about that Inie! Very few directors can boast with an equally impressive body of work. 8-) Possibly Howard Hawks and Billy Wilder. Maybe John Ford too, but that would be about it. Btw, good to see you posting again! Nothing like a good movie conversation to bring back some much missed JA members.
On the documentary on the DVD of "Angels with Dirty Faces" a film professor said: "Other than Hitchcock, no director can claim as many masterpieces than Michael Curtiz!" Maybe a bit overstated, since Michael Curtiz never really cared for the script and looked at the whole movie from a technical point of view, but he does deserve mention, if you ask me. Just look at all the movies he directed : Casablanca, The Adventures of Robin Hood, Captain Blood, The Sea Hawk, Angels with Dirty Faces, ...
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 8:13pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Wimli (31 JUL 2006 5:57pm)
And on a serious note, which directors do you like? I'm a big fan of old movies as well, and Hitchcock is not my personal favourite, but he has made a lot of great films that I do count among my favourites.
Wimli, to answer you, I had to use this site as an aid because it lists the great directors and their movies. The directors of old films that I liked the most would include:
George Cukor (The Philadelphia Story, My Fair Lady)
John Huston (The Treasure of Sierra Madre, The African Queen)
Elia Kazan (On The Waterfront, East of Eden)
Orson Welles (Citizen Kane, The Magnificent Ambersons)
Billy Wilder (Stalag 17, Witness For The Prosecution, Some Like It Hot, The Apartment)
William Wyler (Roman Holiday, The Best Years of Our Lives)
While the sheer volume of quality films directed by Hitchcock is tough to beat, I did like these films better than any of his.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 9:39pm |
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Status : Offline | You listed some fine movies there, Anthony. Another Cukor favorite of mine is Gaslight with Charles Boyer, Ingrid Bergman, and Joseph Cotton.
My favorite Hitchcock of the handful I've seen is Rear Window, but what was the movie about a serial strangler whose piece of jewelry (lapel pin?) ended up clenched in a victim's hand? I remember that the viewer knew who the murderer was right away, and I think it may have been one of Hitchcock's last films.
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 10:07pm |
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Great list Anthony but let's not forget other important directors like Otto Preminger who also made numerous wonderful films including the always intriguing Laura, The Man With The Golden Arm and the classic Anatomy Of A Murder just to name a few.
A more recent director who created several terrific films that extended the values set forth by those older masters is Sidney Lumet who (after getting his start in early TV) made Long Day's Journey Into Night, 12 Angry Men, Fail-Safe and more recently, Serpico, Murder On The Orient Express, Dog Day Afternoon and The Verdict.
These guys, like all the other greats listed above and several others yet mentioned, had an amazing talent for storytelling strong on dramatic pacing, dialog, atmosphere, etc. and they were all adept craftsmen who made many contributions to the art of filmmaking.
There may only be a dozen or two of these elite big name directors (to date) but together they made hundreds and hundreds of wonderful movies and they inspired future generations that are still (at least occassionally) creating great stuff.
Cheers, Terry
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 10:08pm |
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| 31 JUL 2006 at 10:15pm |
JerrySorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Lady Kestrel (31 JUL 2006 9:38pm)
My favorite Hitchcock of the handful I've seen is Rear Window, but what was the movie about a serial strangler whose piece of jewelry (lapel pin?) ended up clenched in a victim's hand? I remember that the viewer knew who the murderer was right away, and I think it may have been one of Hitchcock's last films.
That's "Frenzy", without a doubt.
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| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Mark (31 JUL 2006 4:28am)
Crap. I just realized I only have one Hitchcock DVD - Strangers on a Train - and it was given to me by someone that bought a better edition with more extras or something.
Wait, I do have two Hitchcocks--you just made me remember that I have The Trouble With Harry. Such a great film
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| 1 AUG 2006 at 4:21am |
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Status : Offline | Frenzy it is, Revliski & Jerry! Thank you for jump starting my memory. I saw it in the theater when it first came out and just remembered the necktie.
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| 1 AUG 2006 at 4:44pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Terry Penrod (31 JUL 2006 10:06pm)
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Great list Anthony but let's not forget other important directors like Otto Preminger who also made numerous wonderful films including the always intriguing Laura, The Man With The Golden Arm and the classic Anatomy Of A Murder just to name a few.
A more recent director who created several terrific films that extended the values set forth by those older masters is Sidney Lumet who (after getting his start in early TV) made Long Day's Journey Into Night, 12 Angry Men, Fail-Safe and more recently, Serpico, Murder On The Orient Express, Dog Day Afternoon and The Verdict.
Yes, top notch films Terry. I just saw Anatomy of a Murder again recently and the courtroom scenes of Jimmy Stewart and George C. Scott as the lawyers and Ben Gazzara and Lee Remick as the witnesses were electric.
I love Lumet's films too. The conflict between Henry Fonda and Lee J Cobb in 12 Angry Men, Al Pacino vs. Charles Durning in Dog Day, Paul Newman vs. James Mason in the Verdict. Great stuff. Another Lumet classic is Prince of the City with Treat Williams. Someone at the tv studios saw Jerry Orbach as a NYPD detective in that movie and said to himself, "damn, he owns that role."
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