| 29 JAN 2003 at 2:30am |
HelenGuild Master
Posts : 3436
Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Location: US
Status : Offline | Hi Arwen,
I personally dont recall seeing a whole lot of cussing, but then maybe I havent read as many posts. ???
And cant say I've seen a whole lot of insulting except in jest. ???
Most of that kind of stuff is just usually beteen friends
here..... I believe. Maybe Im wrong, but my experience here has been favorable.
And I liked Syberia too, not my favorite game, but definately worth playing, and as for TLJ not my favorite either, but I dont look down on anyone who favors specific games, everyone has thier own opinion and should respect other opinions. I cant say that anyone has ever insulted me or try to put me down because of
a game I liked or disliked. I think you should give it another try.
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 2:34am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
Posts : 7058
Joined: 14 SEP 2003
Status : Online | Arwen/Eowyn (lovely names both),
About the use of swear words: no, people do not cuss left and right here. But the occasional swear word is usually tolerated. You have to understand that the posters here have differring backgrounds and live in various countries all over the world and not everyone regards swear words the same as you.
Please do not try to equate "swear words" with "immature" because, simply put, it does not work that way.
I also do not understand the remark about parents controlling or not controlling what people say - I suspect most members here are older than you realize.
About "game bashing" - you're making it sound like "newbie" is a swear word? Do you have some better expression for people who are new to the adventure genre? I happen to think that Syberia (generally) appeals to the newbies more than to the veterans and I don't see anything wrong with that? Calling people stupid because they liked/disliked some particular game certainly is not right and is frowned upon here.
If you liked Syberia better than TLJ (or whatever), I don't have any problem with that and I don't see why anyone else should.
Feel free to vent, no apologies needed. Just do not take the posts and posters so seriously, okay?
I forgot my sig.
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 2:36am |
karemanSorcerer Apprentice
Posts : 321
Joined: 10 JAN 2003
Status : Online | Actually when I joined in the beginning of this month everyone were behaving well. It's just recently with the threads on Ragnar (author of TLJ) and TLJ2 that things have gotten a little out of hand. But those threads were closed, though maybe a little too late. Some of the posts should have been removed too.
But things seem to have cooled down now. So please stay. There are a lot of funny and thoughtfull people posting here, I have practically become addicted to this place.
Feel free to ignore this post.
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 2:37am |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
Posts : 7277
Joined: 16 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | maybe you're right about those "passionate talks"... they get out of hand sometimes... but that's only driven by the passion some adventurers feel for the games they like... as for the words you mentioned, i've read most of the threads and i've hardly ever seen such words being used here
anyway hope you'll stay, and you'll see that we're not that bad after all!
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 8:45am |
dimidimidimiSchattenjger
Posts : 1784
Joined: 10 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Hi Arwen,
I agree with you on both accounts, cursing and Syberia. And I don't want to play it innocent here, I've also used the word stupid quite a lot of times, and it was wrong of my side to do so.
About Syberia, yes it is a wonderful game, I love it and don't worry, the majority does also. Check all the reviews and check the average ratings in several sites where hundreds of people have voted (www.gamespot.com, www.adventure-hall.com)
But you know how it is. When someone is succesful, everyone that doesn't like this someone try to undermine the success this someone has had by any means possible. So don't be surprised about all the whiners and their misery (big great example this guy that wrote this article in JA about the 'state of adventure gaming', stating false arguments and misinforming people like never seen before in JA).
But the more these certain individuals whine, the more does it prove how great Syberia's success is. Welcome to JA forums arwen.
PDF adventure magazine - The Inventory&&http://www.justadventure.com/TheInventory/TheInventory.shtm&&&&What would you give to know the truth?&&http://www.brokensaints.com
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 11:04am |
| Deleted User | Monkeybone's Public Apology
Hey there,
Arwen, I think you're talking about me. I'm sorry, I did get out of hand, and promise to think thrice before typing that sorta language again. I tend to swear a lot in speech too, but I've made a promise to myself to cut down on it and I will. :-/
Besides, people will only use such language (as they did) against me rather than reading my arguments and as such, it's detrimental to what I'm trying to say.
However, I certainly don't think that it's worth banning for. Perhaps warning, certainly, but it really depends on the context and the argument that it's used for.
But that doesn't make it right!
So - SORRY
Posts : 204
Joined: 21 JAN 2003
Status : Online | Arwen please stay !
(I like your Avatar )
This is an extremely cool place !
I do not know what was going on in the TLJ2 threads,
I avoided these because I still have to play HUGE parts of TLJ and does not want to get spoiled ...
But otherwise this forums are a very charming, funny AND informative place to discuss adventure games
These bad first impressions should not alienate you !
Give the forums another break
Was du nicht willst, daß man dir tut,&&das fueg auch keinem andren zu !&&&& o not do to others, what you do not want done to yourself !
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 6:41pm |
ElfstoneGuild Master
Posts : 5892
Joined: 4 NOV 2002
Status : Online | Arwen, there are many people in this world and not all of them have learnt to behave. If you want the perfect we-all-love-each-other and sun-is-shining-out-of-my-behind forum you perhaps have to search a loooong time.
Don't take everything too serious here. There ARE some members which are flaming the forums - there are always a few of them on every board. Some are just discussing a bit more intense than usual, but those are not really that bad. Be on the lookout for those which swear and insult a lot and avoid them.
You have to ignore that. Or play their game which can be fun sometimes.
Just remember to stay polite yourself and be a shiny example of a good poster.
All in all the community on this board consists of very nice people who will discuss on every topic. I have seen some very nasty boards. In my opinion adventure gamers are quite a friendly kind.
You might be put off by all the rage about Myst and Myst clones. Hey, we are not really hating each other...just teasing a bit here and there. Nothing too serious.
FPS gamers tend to use "newbie" as an insult. But I cannot really say that without blaming myself at least a bit, because I play shooters as well. No antipathy on my side. But I know of a few forums which use "newbie" in the context of "being new and having no experience", therefore "not allowed to have an opinion" or "not to be taken seriously". It's not nice, but the posting count and the changing avatar in forums often leads these people to the misjudgement that they are something better and ranked higher than new posters...utter crap! Apologize the swearing...
They forget that the new posters could be posters on other boards for a much longer time than these "senior posters" are posting on their forum. I immediately know these people when I see their replies and no longer bother to communicate with them...
I could not say that there are any of those kind on these boards. All of the 5-star-posters here are able to discuss without such false pride.
A warm welcome to you from my side and I hope you will stay and contribute a lot.
[b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&& all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 7:01pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
Posts : 7058
Joined: 14 SEP 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By dimidimidimi (29 JAN 2003 8:44am)
But you know how it is. When someone is succesful, everyone that doesn't like this someone try to undermine the success this someone has had by any means possible. So don't be surprised about all the whiners and their misery.
And by the same token, MacDonalds sells the best food and Microsoft makes the best software? Successful is not the same as good.
Not that I'm saying Syberia is anywhere near as bad as the above two
I forgot my sig.
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 7:10pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
Posts : 5696
Joined: 23 OCT 2002
Location: AR, Buenos Aires
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By dimidimidimi (29 JAN 2003 8:44am)
So don't be surprised about all the whiners and their misery
Well, at least every single person I saw "whining" about Syberia had valid arguments justifying them - instead, your argument is that Syberia is good because it was a big success.
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 8:49pm |
| Deleted User | No, Syberia is good. Why Syberia bad? Good Syberia.
Me likey.
Well, honestly, my girlfriend is in love with this game and so am I (although I just watch), 90% of the forumites do to, so Rael - it's just a matter of opinion!
We gotta stop that whole good/bad thing unless we're accounting for our own tastes... in the name of love...
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 10:05pm |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
Posts : 5696
Joined: 23 OCT 2002
Location: AR, Buenos Aires
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By monkeybone (29 JAN 2003 8:49pm)
Well, honestly, my girlfriend is in love with this game and so am I (although I just watch), 90% of the forumites do to, so Rael - it's just a matter of opinion!
Of course it is - that's the reason why people who didn't like Syberia shouldn't be called "whiners with misery".
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 11:06pm |
mszvPrivate Detective
Posts : 751
Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Hi all,
I was never going to post on this topic again, but, what the heck, thought I'd jump in.
The board has good and bad days. I think it's mean sometimes, and people aren't always respectful of other people's opinions. Sometimes I think it's getting better, then it gets bad again. I do enjoy reading many of the posts (or I would not be here), and the interesting opinions. I also admit that sometimes I check in to see "who is flaming who" and how bad it's going to get. Some people also like to use the "quote" feature of the board too much, in my opinion. Instead of briefly summarizing what the person said, every single phrase is separately quoted and then dissected. All that quoting and replying makes for very long reading. Once that happens I usually skim the post as quickly as I can, or just skip it.
I also think that some people are oddly competitive with the developers. Independents are usually left alone, but if someone from a major game company posts, the discourse is often very mean; it's literally like "open season" (to use a hunting analogy) on the developer or publisher. I don't think we are talking about "tough questions", it's flaming. I'm not sure exactly why this is happens.
Now I'm not going to give any examples, so please don't ask me for them - I'm just giving you my opinion.
Should newbies join? Well, I'm all for making the discourse more civilized, and for adding to the adventure game community. It's an interesting board.
Regards, mszv
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 11:27pm |
szcaxJourneyman
Posts : 935
Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | I haven't read any swearing or Syberia bashing around here. However, I have seen passionate debates about Syberia. I enjoy these arguments so long as both sides use logic and reasoning rather than name-calling and cursing to further their point. If these debates disturb you, fear not! The forum will have a new board soon for debating.
I don't like Syberia. Although I have gotten in a couple of "passionate talks" about it, I recognize that liking Syberia or disliking Syberia is an opinion. Other people are just as entitled to their own opinion as I am to mine (for such a trivial matter as a computer game, anyway). I agree with MichalN: I don't see why anyone should have a problem if someone else's opinions differ from theirs.
Monkeybone: Your choice of words in your infamous post was questionable (what a euphamism!), but it takes a lot of guts to stand up and admit you were wrong and apologize. Thank you.
Black holes are where God divided by zero
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| 29 JAN 2003 at 11:28pm |
GayleSchattenjger
Posts : 2544
Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Arwen,
Stay and add to the increasing number of posters. If you don't like the way a thread is heading then just get out of the topic.
It is a very comfortable site and a lot of individual thoughts and comments. That is something I like alot.
Swearing. Well, haven't here but do swear.
This site has the best and most diversified posters I have ever seen on the net.
So, jump in when you want and or just read and post once in a while.
It is good to have another new poster who will soon will be an old poster,I hope and Welcome To You, Arwen
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| 30 JAN 2003 at 3:04am |
BelindaSchattenjger
Posts : 2093
Joined: 21 OCT 2002
Status : Online | *gets out her violin, and starts to play.......* :
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| 30 JAN 2003 at 3:31am |
JoGuild Master
Posts : 3313
Joined: 3 NOV 2002
Location: AU, Qld.
Status : Offline | Welcome Arwen,
Can't say I've seen much swearing here myself but haven't really read the Syberia posts (if that's where they were) simply because I have not yet played it.
Please stay, this is a really friendly forum for the most part and I'm sure a lot of what is said is really between friends who have posted here for a long time.
As Michal said, a lot of the members here are probably a lot older than you would think, several are grandparents from what I can gather - I am for example.
The other thing is that the members are extremely helpful to those who have problems with games and even things like the best video cards etc etc.
As for "newbies", I've always just taken that to mean people who are new to this particular forum and certainly not used as an insult, well we were all newbies once anyway so who cares.
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| 30 JAN 2003 at 4:24am |
| Deleted User | I think she won't be back...
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| 30 JAN 2003 at 8:29am |
| Deleted User | Monkeybone turns and salutes szcax
No problemo!
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| 30 JAN 2003 at 12:52pm |
MyriexIntergalactic Janitor
Posts : 41
Joined: 11 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Originally Posted By arwen m (29 JAN 2003 1:54am)
And what is with soooo much bashing of Syberia? or having a bad taste for liking them better than something else.
Someone on another forum compared Syberia with Myst in this regard. Just by saying how much they hate a game that has sold extremely well and that so many other people like, such as Myst and now Syberia, some people think they are a little special...
BTW, I'm really sorry to say I agree with Arwen about what has become of this forum. Same old posters with the same old aggressive thoughts around point n click vs. keyboard, third person vs. first person etc. To semiquote one american tennis player; it's time some people on this board bought some perspective instead of new games.
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