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| 4 MAY 2006 at 9:01pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Isn't it funny that the two who were killed recently were arrested on DUI charges.
Lost version of being fired maybe.
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 4 MAY 2006 at 9:56pm |
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When a drama actor gets fired, it's done good and proper with theatre blood and all.
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| 4 MAY 2006 at 11:11pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I think that Michael was released by the others to carry out a mission under threat of harm being done to his son, or something akin to that. I think the story about the others being in bad shape was a fabrication intended to make Jack overconfident.
Just a theory.
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| 5 MAY 2006 at 3:12am |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Michael shot himself in the end, right? The whole thing was certainly unexpected... but this is beginning to feel too much like twists for the sake of twists. The quality of the script is nowhere like it used to be. Jack and Locke have been fighting for, like, the whole season and now we are led to believe they're solving their issues with a brief chat? Unless Locke has plans of his own (makes sense after what Henry said). Also, I hate Kate. I just hate what they did with her and she was one of the key characters of the show. She's just similing around and bothering people. At this rate it made more sense to shoot her before anyone else
And - yeah, rather odd that both the characters arrested in real life have now been killed in the show. Too odd if you ask me!
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| 5 MAY 2006 at 6:12am |
krkdnosePrivate Detective
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Status : Online | I liked the fake Hanso foundation commercial...complete with a telephone number to call. I'll bet you those phone lines were jammed pretty good yesterday!
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| 5 MAY 2006 at 2:40pm |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Son of a b.... my first episode of LOST that I missed - and it sounds like it was a great one too! >
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| 5 MAY 2006 at 6:37pm |
AvatarPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By krkdnose (5 MAY 2006 6:12am)
I liked the fake Hanso foundation commercial...complete with a telephone number to call. I'll bet you those phone lines were jammed pretty good yesterday!
I missed it (gosh-darn Tivo!)
What was it?
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| 6 MAY 2006 at 3:12pm |
ElfstoneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Say what you want, but it makes sense...Michael is desperate to get Walt back. Killing Ana-Lucia was planned, Libby was definitely an accident, shooting himself was calculated, of course.
They may or may not have brainwashed him, but I don't think they did. It's his doing.
I agree, twists for twist's sake is what this looks like, but I don't think so. They wanted to this for quite some time. I was thinking before that Michael would be the best choice to manipulate into killing his own people. Back in season 1 I thought he might have got the sickness from that boar that attacked him and turn on his own. A wild theory. :
I can totally see Michael doing what he did. Harold Perrineau (hope the name is right) did a great job with this scene. Makes me think he didn't get brainwashed, his emotions seem true.
Only thing I'm not sure about is Libby...that seems like they put it in there to get rid of that problem with her DUI. Remember that they teased us with a flashback in Hurley's episode...I don't think they already knew that she was out, by then.
And anyway, maybe she is not dead. Still possible. Probably she had a silver platter underneath that pillow.
I must say it's disappointing not having a flashback for Libby.
Something I didn't catch (I'm still blind to these obvious links), but read about: Claire is most likely Jack's half-sister
The woman Jack's dad paid a visit in Australia looks like Claire (although she seems a little young for that, no?) and Claire said before that her father left them. It fits and you just know that it is true. As true as Locke's replacement dad being the real Sawyer, right? The web is getting tighter...
And I'm pretty sure there's more afoot. Kate is not done, yet. I agree with Agustin...she is less important on this show now that her flood of flashbacks seems to have stopped. I think there is something else...you remember when she said during that game with Sawyer at the campfire that she was married once? I'm trying to think with whom she's connected... (I'm not saying that she was married to one of them ).
And more:
I'm beginning to suspect that the Locke-is-a-Hanso theory is going to be realised and it's not just another attempt to mess with the theorists. I think that man Henry is talking about is either Alvar or Magnus Hanso. That ARG which seems to be starting right about now focuses on Hanso. I think I have to look into this, being converted to ARGing as of late (although I'm not active since Orbital Colony ended and I don't really intend to be this year)...more time to waste with this stuff... :
Michael will corrupt our group into tackling the Others. Right now I think that he wants Walt back and nothing else, although it seems almost crazy to kill people the way he does. Maybe he was fully converted, but I tell you that I won't like that very much...despite that being logical for this show, sickness and all that. Sure, the Others are not as defenseless as Michael claims them to be, but I think that he believes they still have a chance to rescue Walt.
Something I read concerning the ARG:
Spoiler Alert
There seem to be a lot of hints that Sun's father's company Paik (or something) is directly connected with the Hanso Foundation.
Here's the latest on the ARG:
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[b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&& all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House
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| 7 MAY 2006 at 5:47pm |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Lucien21 (4 MAY 2006 9:01pm)
Isn't it funny that the two who were killed recently were arrested on DUI charges.
Lost version of being fired maybe.
Absolutely no doubt in mind that the two events are connected. What stupid people: actresses lucky enough to be in one of the most successful serial TV shows that has the potential to go on for the next few years (if the writers don't screw it up & I'm worried about that). The Libby & Anna-Lucia characters didn't have to work that hard from what I can see of their parts and they probably would have been in a position to demand increasing pay. Now with this history, they have lost a guaranteed job for 2 or 3 years and will probably have a hard time getting work. Stupid, stupid people!
BTW: I think I know the area on Oahu where they were picked up (within minutes of each other). It is heavily patrolled and is considered somewhat of a speed-trap.
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| 11 MAY 2006 at 3:40am |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Ok, I just caught last weeks episode that I missed. Kinda sweet, ABC lets you watch the weeks episode over the web at: http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing
Anyway, I STILL firmly believe that they are all in the mental hospital getting some sort of treatment. Whenever they are cured, the are 'killed' (taken out of the treatment).
- Shannon's brother finally let go of his obsession with her. "Cured", time to leave.
- Shannon decides to finally stands up for herself and by running after Walt. "Cured", time to leave.
- Ana Lucia faces her own demons and curbs her uncontrollable anger by not killing Henry. "Cured", time to leave.
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| 12 MAY 2006 at 1:55am |
HelenGuild Master
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Status : Offline | You could be right.
My thinking is that if they cant figure out how to end it that they can always use the mental hospital thingie and that its all in Hurly's head.
Like with "allas" and Bobbys dream.
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| 12 MAY 2006 at 8:06pm |
ElfstoneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Ivinia, I'm disappointed by your lack of creativity... :-/
After the latest episode, please tell me which demons Libby has faced? Oh, I know...she must have died for real in the mental instituion, which means she's dying in the "virtual reality", too.
Anyway, even if it is mental institution or purgatory in the end, the things I love about the show would still make sense and mean something, wouldn't they?
Whereas, if it was just a simple dream, it couldn't be worse.
[b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&& all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House
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| 12 MAY 2006 at 9:23pm |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Awww....don't be disappointed!
I'm going with what seems most logical at this time. Locke was in a wheelchair...now he can walk. Just when people seem to face up to their big 'issue', they die.
Libby is convenient too for the writers. A nice way to throw in a question mark because they never did give out her story. Trust issues? id she lose someone to suicide? A lost love? Either way, there were specific events that were taking place with her character and Hurley just before she died to make it open to interpretion that she had been 'cured' as well. That Hurley episode had her sitting at the same hospital as Hurley. So she obviously had SOME kind of issue - assuming of course she is real.
You ever notice how things are a bit inconsistent? Where is the black smoke monster? The defense system that tears down trees and drags people under the ground? Its become pretty obvious that the entire button pushing and observations with the cameras fit into some form of psychiatric studies.
Ever notice how the show doesn't take you back to a persons life. It's always that person deep in thought and going back to those moments - being forced to relive them. There is also a limited amount of people in the "real" flashback world. They have a set cast of characters to use. Now its either a VERY small world or those flashbacks are memories being induced by the psychologists in a controlled environment.
Face it, the entire show has got SO many red herrings in it that its coming to the point twhere they better have a very good explanation for it all. Right now, the mental hospital reasoning is the most plausible at this point. The whole magnetic idea of pulling planes out of the sky might seem more creative, but it seems pretty goofy to me. The numbers which have taken the center stage throughout the 1st season and part of the second (although not as much) turn out to be just some made up thing for pushing a button that does nothing? The polar bear? the horse?
Face it, they have this thing going in SO many different directions that people are too busy looking at the details for these subtle clues. If you stand back, the only thing that fits throughout the show is the mental hospital theory. Is anyone normal? id any of them have normal happy lives that they came from? No, they all have issues of some kind. The french lady might even be a patient from an earlier group that was never cured and going through the treatment again.
That's not to say all of them are there, so to speak. Walt may not have been. Bernard or his wife might not really be there as well. Have they ever shown Walt's background or was it all through Michael? Bernards wife's background or just through Bernard or was it just through his wife? I'm not saying all my thoughts 'fit'. There are probably lots of problems with it as well, but again I think it's the most plausible.
Hollywood has a serious problem with originality lately. Look at all the remakes they are doing - The Posiedon Adventure, Dukes of Hazard, Charlies Angels, Starsky and Hutch, War of the Worlds, the upcoming Knight Rider and The Fall Guy movies. Personally I think this show mirrors a movie that came out a within the last few years that I don't want to give to name of for fear of spoiling it for those that never saw it. If anyone wants to take a guess or wants to know which one, feel free to PM me.
I hope I'm wrong about all this. I think it would be great if there is another explanation for it all. It just seems like with each passing episode, the far-out ideas dont' fit, but the mental hospital one remains not only the most likely, but gets additional support.
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| 13 MAY 2006 at 1:06am |
ElfstoneGuild Master
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Status : Online | If you say it like that...good points! You really explained why you think that's the reason behind everything, not just saying, "it fits", but I didn't expect you to go that easy, anyway.
I still don't think they will go for just that. That said, I'm pretty sure it will end up with something too crazy. But as I said, I will just look back at the flashbacks and the characters, because those make the show for me.
I have more fodder for your theory...
The Others might be a group of people who are too far gone or not willing to be healed. Or they are just an obstacle to bring out the demons in those people and get them cured.
But all those character connections make no sense that way. Honestly, this won't ever make sense in its entirety and I guess everybody knows that. It's just a lot of fun to spot all those connections and little bits, thinking a bit about it, even if it eventually amounts to nothing much, except for great character studies. And they already can't lose that part of the game...
Hold on, I've got some corrections to make...
Oh, but not here. In the other thread.
[b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&& all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House
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