| 11 MAR 2006 at 3:46pm |
Peter DoyleIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wimli (11 MAR 2006 3:38pm)
Well, the oscars surely ended with the biggest surprise of the show, with the other awards following the predictions! Crash best film? Honestly, didn't see that one coming.
Further proof of the gambler's maxim: When the money is split between two favorites, go for the long shot.
As far as acting is concerned, I thought both Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal were brilliant in their roles. Especially Ledger made a deep impression on me as a man who is unable to express his true emotions and hides behind a mask of self-control and silence. His facial expressions were spot on, and so were his voice and accent.
Yes! Totally! I agree 100%!
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 4:08pm |
WimliGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Peter Doyle (11 MAR 2006 3:46pm)
Originally Posted By Wimli (11 MAR 2006 3:38pm)
Well, the oscars surely ended with the biggest surprise of the show, with the other awards following the predictions! Crash best film? Honestly, didn't see that one coming.
Further proof of the gambler's maxim: When the money is split between two favorites, go for the long shot.
True enough. Problem is, many didn't consider Crash to be a favourite, more seeing it as the odd one out in the best picture category. If it was up to me (if only... ), I'd have bumped it and given the fifth nomination to The Constant Gardener instead. Luckily I didn't split any money over this years oscars. Probably a good thing, as my favourite never wins anyway.
As far as acting is concerned, I thought both Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal were brilliant in their roles. Especially Ledger made a deep impression on me as a man who is unable to express his true emotions and hides behind a mask of self-control and silence. His facial expressions were spot on, and so were his voice and accent.
Yes! Totally! I agree 100%!
Ah, it always fun to see agreement with your opinions. Let's hope the Ledger-man will get other worthy roles in the future, and not the romantic comedy lead that Hollywood would just love to force hil into. Same for Gyllenhaal, but he'll have less of a problem with that, having already obtained enough indie edge with Donnie Darko.
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 4:29pm |
Peter DoyleIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wimli (11 MAR 2006 4:08pm)
Ah, it always fun to see agreement with your opinions. Let's hope the Ledger-man will get other worthy roles in the future, and not the romantic comedy lead that Hollywood would just love to force him into.
Let's hope indeed. Of course, Guy Pearce went from "The Adventures Of Priscilla, Queen Of The Desert" to "L.A. Confidential", so anything's possible.
I hoped that Brokeback would win "Best Picture" this year so that the inevitable copies would follow, and maybe ONE of them would have a happy ending. As good as it is, Brokeback still sends the same old message that "gay=miserable and/or dead".
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 4:47pm |
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Status : Online | I hoped that Brokeback would win "Best Picture" this year so that the inevitable copies would follow, and maybe ONE of them would have a happy ending. As good as it is, Brokeback still sends the same old message that "gay=miserable and/or dead".
I don't think it was necessarily trying to "send the same old message" but simply to convey the reality of the situation in that place and time. The fact is, if you were gay in Wyoming in the 60s, chances are you were miserable and/or dead. Either that or deep, deep in the closet.
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 5:15pm |
Peter DoyleIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jujigatame (11 MAR 2006 4:47pm)
I hoped that Brokeback would win "Best Picture" this year so that the inevitable copies would follow, and maybe ONE of them would have a happy ending. As good as it is, Brokeback still sends the same old message that "gay=miserable and/or dead".
I don't think it was necessarily trying to "send the same old message" but simply to convey the reality of the situation in that place and time. The fact is, if you were gay in Wyoming in the 60s, chances are you were miserable and/or dead. Either that or deep, deep in the closet.
Point taken; As an historical document, Brokeback is an unflinchingly accurate view of that time and place.
However, movies take all sorts of characters through every possible trial and tribulation imaginable, yet still manage to have a have ending as long as the characters are straight.
To me this doesn't seem quite fair, is all.
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 5:30pm |
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Status : Offline | There are enough movies with happy endings for gay men, but they simply don't appeal to the masses like, I don't know, the next Julia Robert rom-com does. (Plus, most of those aren't worth watching anyway, trust me ). So why would Hollywood be making these pictures? If there was money to be made, you can be sure they would do just that.
As for the oscars and other award ceremonies, drama pictures will always appeal most to and have a bigger impact on critics, and maybe to a large part of the movie going audience as well. So, yes, movies with a dramaric ending will always have a bigger chance to win at these ceremonies than a happy film. That's not exclusive to gay themes. Still, yes, I too would love to see that change, and now with Brokeback's success, chances are bigger than ever that it will as far as homosexuality is concerned.
Because, interesting times are certainly ahead. Hollywood's copycat nature will try to bank on Brokeback Mountain's success. Hopefully that will mean more gay characters in movies, and yes hopefully breaking through stereotypes (either the feminine gay man, or the a-sexual best friend of the female lead in the film. Really, we've had enough of those! :) as well, and more actors willing to take on a gay role without fearing that would mean the end of their career.
And let's hope the audience will follow too.
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 5:50pm |
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 8:06pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (11 MAR 2006 2:21am)
It's obvious that you don't like rap music, so I'm not going to bother arguing with you, because it's readily apparent I'd be wasting my breath (or whatever the typing equivalent of breath is).
Well, you're right and you're right about there being no sense 'arguing' about it, but let me, at least, finish a final thought so that my drift on this subject is perfectly clear. First, I understand that rap/hiphop is very popular and that there is something in it that appeals to a lot of people; I can't argue with that. But.....let's take 'It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp.' vs. a song like Coldplay's 'The Scientist' which was also in a movie. What went into the construction of 'It's Hard Out There for a Pimp?: They had to come up with some rhyming verses and a beat and then add the refrain 'It's Hard Out There for a Pimp' sung with the same handful of notes and, each time, sung exactly the same way.
Now, take a look at what Chris Martin had to do with 'The Scientist'. He had to come up with a melody that was catchy and which has at least one 'hook' (if not more)- that catchy part of the song that attracts people and makes them want to hear the song over & over. Then he has to add several stanzas of lyrics that not only fit the music but add hooks of their own. Anyone who has ever tried to come up with an original melody knows how difficult that is; relatively few people can do it. And lyrics create their own challenge. Which is why Elton John & Bernie Taupin formed such a synergistic team.
What is my point? It's not so much that rap is crap, but that rap, for the most part, can't be considered songs alongside traditional songs and therefore, when entities like the Academy Awards is handing out music awards from now on, there should be a 'Best Song' and, separately, a 'Best Rap' category (notice how I left off the song part [smiley=devil_smiley_grintail.gif] )
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 8:43pm |
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Status : Online | I can full well recognize that in most cases, rap songs do not take as much "talent" to create as music that requires instrumentation and so forth. However, just because something is more intricate and difficult to create doesn't mean it's "better" or more worthy of my listening time. If that were the case I'd listen to Mozart and Beethoven.
It's not just rap that this applies to. Just think of punk rock. The Sex Pistols had no musical talent whatsoever, and I'll take them over Coldplay any day of the week.
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 8:45pm |
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Status : Offline | My favourite part of the Oscars is the bit where they walk the red carpet and I get to see the nice dresses. And the tribute to all those who've died. And I like it when the camera pans the audience and I get another chance to see what they're all wearing.
The actual ceremony is boring, the presentation is usually bland and far too contrived, I wish they'd learn their lines instead of read the autocue.... (thinking Lily Tomlin and Meryl Streep), and all those technical guys who win very clever awards and come out in a gang and then take half an hour to list every single person they ever spoke to and then their mothers..... oh for heaven's sake, say thank you and leave!
It must have been even more boring than usual this year because I kept getting up and down and went to bed before it had finished. :
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 9:34pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 MAR 2006 8:44pm)
It must have been even more boring than usual this year because I kept getting up and down and went to bed before it had finished. :
I'd like to thank JustAdventure for this 'Poster of the Millenium' Award. First, of all I'd like to thank my parents who had me because if they had not had me I wouldn't be here to accept this award. And then my many post-writers who assisted me writing these posts all these years; without them I wouldn't be the poster I am today. And then there is my wife who managed to carry on in the house & raising children without me, recognizing what a contribution to the posting world I was making. And then there is my dog who didn't get petted as much as I would have liked, plus my many friends who did without my friendship all those years just so I could post and post and post. I'm sure I've forgotten to thank many people & I hope they will forgive me! Thank you again.....this means so much to me....and my family.....and my friends. OMIGOSH, THIS IS WUNNERFUL!
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| 11 MAR 2006 at 11:12pm |
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Your wife told me you've been practising that acceptance speech so many times that you've completely fogged up the bathroom mirror and she'd like you to STOP.... especially as it was FOUR YEARS AGO now.
Put the damn thing on the shelf and go to bed.
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| 12 MAR 2006 at 2:35am |
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You forgot the most important part of the acceptance speech which is giving a shout out to God. And I just talked to God and, boy, She's pissed at you!
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| 13 MAR 2006 at 7:30pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (11 MAR 2006 8:42pm)
However, just because something is more intricate and difficult to create doesn't mean it's "better" or more worthy of my listening time.
Absolutely. Case in point: The White Stripes. A guitar and drums, that's it. Yet, I haven't heard anything that simple and that raw sound so good since Creedence. Hello Operator and My Doorbell are scorching.
But intricate is good too. When I first heard Fix You by Coldplay, I listened to it everyday for two straight weeks. And I had to stop whatever I was doing when it came on, because it deserved my full attention. Clocks, too. Love that piano.
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| 13 MAR 2006 at 9:05pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By anthony (13 MAR 2006 7:30pm)
Originally Posted By jujigatame (11 MAR 2006 8:42pm)
However, just because something is more intricate and difficult to create doesn't mean it's "better" or more worthy of my listening time.
Absolutely. Case in point: The White Stripes. A guitar and drums, that's it. Yet, I haven't heard anything that simple and that raw sound so good since Creedence. Hello Operator and My Doorbell are scorching.
But intricate is good too. When I first heard Fix You by Coldplay, I listened to it everyday for two straight weeks. And I had to stop whatever I was doing when it came on, because it deserved my full attention. Clocks, too. Love that piano.
Anthony ole buddy, here's what happened as I read your post: (1st half) Omigosh, Anthony, the poor bastard is lost forever! And then, (2nd half) Hold the phone, he's redeemed himself; there's hope after all.
Okay, you guys, listen up, and I have it on the best authority that this is from God's mouth to my ears to my post: I don't argue that you're all entertained by something (probably very primitive [smiley=devil_smiley_grintail.gif] ) with that 'stuff'- I get it- the beat, the rhyming, the rocking of the head, the pointing of forefinger & the little finger, the bling, fantasizing about a free ho- I get it. IT JUST ISN'T MUSIC- THERE AIN'T NO FRICKIN' NOTES! ARRRGGGG! EH-EEEEE! [smiley=skull_laugh.gif]
And just in case pictures will help:
COLDPLAY: [smiley=music.gif] [smiley=whistle.gif]
RAP: [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=doh.gif] [smiley=zombie.gif]
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| 13 MAR 2006 at 9:11pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By SirDave (13 MAR 2006 9:05pm)
Originally Posted By anthony (13 MAR 2006 7:30pm)
Originally Posted By jujigatame (11 MAR 2006 8:42pm)
However, just because something is more intricate and difficult to create doesn't mean it's "better" or more worthy of my listening time.
Absolutely. Case in point: The White Stripes. A guitar and drums, that's it. Yet, I haven't heard anything that simple and that raw sound so good since Creedence. Hello Operator and My Doorbell are scorching.
But intricate is good too. When I first heard Fix You by Coldplay, I listened to it everyday for two straight weeks. And I had to stop whatever I was doing when it came on, because it deserved my full attention. Clocks, too. Love that piano.
Anthony ole buddy, here's what happened as I read your post: (1st half) Omigosh, Anthony, the poor bastard is lost forever! And then, (2nd half) Hold the phone, he's redeemed himself; there's hope after all.
Okay, you guys, listen up, and I have it on the best authority that this is from God's mouth to my ears to my post: I don't argue that you're all entertained by something (probably very primitive [smiley=devil_smiley_grintail.gif] ) with that 'stuff'- I get it- the beat, the rhyming, the rocking of the head, the pointing of forefinger & the little finger, the bling, fantasizing about a free ho- I get it. IT JUST ISN'T MUSIC- THERE AIN'T NO FRICKIN' NOTES! ARRRGGGG! EH-EEEEE! [smiley=skull_laugh.gif]
And just in case pictures will help:
COLDPLAY: [smiley=music.gif] [smiley=whistle.gif]
RAP: [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=doh.gif] [smiley=zombie.gif]
Not sure if this is your intent, but you're coming off as someone with highly ignorant preformed opinions and little actual knowledge of the genre.
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| 13 MAR 2006 at 10:15pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | I don't care for rap much either. I like music I can make out the words to so I can sing along. I like nice melodies or a primal beat I can dance to. I don't like heavy metal either. But the music I do like, I simply adore and listen to as often as possible.
Different folk vibrate to different sounds. Every taste is valid. Someone who plays classical piano the way Dave does, is entitled to judge rap as being inadequate musically for his tastes. Let's not start a flame war over music, eh?
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| 13 MAR 2006 at 10:58pm |
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Status : Offline | I'm not sure whether I should say that I like "rap" or not. If "rap" is defined by the artists who are known in that genre, like fifty cent or ludacris, then my answer would be no. But if "rap" is defined as music where the lyrics are recited rather than sung, then it would include songs by Beck, Red Hot Chili Peppers, BareNakedLadies, much of which I like. Either way, The White Stripes are not rap.
I don't think rap meshes all too well with metal. I detest Limp Biskit, and am not crazy about Rage Against The Machine, Korn or Linkin Park.
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| 14 MAR 2006 at 12:19am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | Most of the artists' names that get mentioned in threads like this are totally unknown to me. Not just because I'm in Australia - but because I don't have kids old enough to be playing the stuff and I never listen to the radio. My exposure to recent music is practically nil. Still, I'm always impressed when people my age do actually know about all this modern music stuff.
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| 14 MAR 2006 at 12:35am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (13 MAR 2006 9:11pm)
Not sure if this is your intent, but you're coming off as someone with highly ignorant preformed opinions and little actual knowledge of the genre.
Well, at least you're consistent- you never could take a joke.
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| 14 MAR 2006 at 2:11am |
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By SirDave (14 MAR 2006 12:34am)
Originally Posted By jujigatame (13 MAR 2006 9:11pm)
Well, at least you're consistent- you never could take a joke.
Ooh, ouch...that hurts.
That is weak, seriously...
I must back up juji on that matter. I certainly don't like rap very much myself, but comparing White Stripes - who I not that much of a fan of, either - is not a joke...it simply does not make any sense.
Never mind, I'm just kidding. :
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| 14 MAR 2006 at 2:20am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By anthony (13 MAR 2006 10:58pm)
I don't think rap meshes all too well with metal. I detest ..., Korn or Linkin Park.
Blasphemy!
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| 14 MAR 2006 at 2:28am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By anthony (13 MAR 2006 10:58pm)
I'm not sure whether I should say that I like "rap" or not. If "rap" is defined by the artists who are known in that genre, like fifty cent or ludacris, then my answer would be no. But if "rap" is defined as music where the lyrics are recited rather than sung, then it would include songs by Beck, Red Hot Chili Peppers, BareNakedLadies, much of which I like. Either way, The White Stripes are not rap.
I don't think rap meshes all too well with metal. I detest Limp Biskit, and am not crazy about Rage Against The Machine, Korn or Linkin Park.
Well, sorry my friend, I was over-generalizing. I sorta took your initial 'Absolutely' (in response to that 'other guy') to mean a support for rap which you weren't really doing as I read more closely, but I enjoyed giving you a rough time nonetheless. I'm actually familiar with all the groups mentioned above, but can't say I'm a big fan.
Ordinarily, I would admit to possibly suffering a music generation gap except for the fact that my kids enjoy the cds I burn as much as I do. Lately, they've included yes, Coldplay, but also, Train, Live, Green Day, Lifehouse, Moby, James Blunt, David Gray, Rascal Flatts, Dido, Jack Ingram, Sarah McGlauchlin.
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| 14 MAR 2006 at 2:30am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Elfstone (14 MAR 2006 2:11am)
Originally Posted By SirDave (14 MAR 2006 12:34am)
Originally Posted By jujigatame (13 MAR 2006 9:11pm)
Well, at least you're consistent- you never could take a joke.
Ooh, ouch...that hurts.
That is weak, seriously...
Yeah, well, I didn't appreciate his comment either which you seemed to coveniently ignore.
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