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| 10 NOV 2005 at 9:40am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | Are you talking school bullying? What if your 'criminal' is 8 years old? What then?
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 3:40pm |
Pastor DisasterJourneyman
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Status : Online | I think the penalty should be that he gets stuck with the senior high boys, and let them bully him for a while.
Dyslexics wonder why there isn't a word that means the same thing as "cinnamon."
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 4:42pm |
Sandy_SleuthPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Definately! Detention, suspension, Expelled... Meeting with parents... They have NOTHING at all now to prevent it. Something is always better than nothing! Even an 8 year old can start off with "innocent" bullying which could escalate into more and more serious bullying. Kids even at 8 come to school with weapons. I do not know if it's as bad in other countries, but it makes the headlines here often enough. That shows an ever increasing problem.
I hope something allot more serious than these "just a slap on the wrist" warnings are done, asap!
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 5:07pm |
Alan ThornSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Point the finger not at one nor two, but three,
Lock 'em up from sight and throw away the key,
Theif fault! Their fault! They brought this on themselves,
Hanging days on corners while we fester on shop shelves,
Day by Day, from straight to gay
We hear the do-goods preach,
Against boffins sent to coffins
Against idle-heads who leach,
You can see 'em growing near 'em,
Like a traveller lost at sea,
Counting off the days like the parting of the ways,
And thin ice beneath you and beneath me,
Point the finger not at one nor two, but three,
Lock 'em up from sight and throw away the key,
Theif fault! Their fault! They brought this on themselves,
Hanging days on corners while we fester on shop shelves...
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 5:33pm |
SarahJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Usually the smart skinny kids get bullied. Just not fair.
I've seen a guy got beated up by some gangsters at school long time ago and no one helped him!
Our government is trying to do something about it but it's not enough. It's impossible to have 24 hours security eyeing on particular students.
Still busy being a mom &&
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 5:54pm |
| Deleted User | Bullying is serious stuff and should be treated seriously. And don't forget that there's quite a bit of bullying going on at workplaces, by and of adult people. It's not just a school problem.
Sometimes the bullied kids are picked up by extremist groups, like young neo-nazis or religious sects, where they are invited and finally find a place where people accept them, which leads to very bad situations.
On the other hand, the smart and skinny kids that can handle bullying, or just being unpopular and unnoticed, through the school years tend to get out in the world and achieve great things, while many of the "cool" kids end up marrying early, buying a house within walking distance of their parents' house and get a work at the local gas station.
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 6:09pm |
anthonyJourneyman
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Status : Offline | A crime? You have got to be kidding me.
First of all, I don't think bullying is all that prevalent in today's society. It rarely, if ever, occurs.
Second, "bully" is an extremely ambiguous and utterly subjective term. What one person may call a "bully" may simply be an individual who is spirited or determined or adament or emphatic. The problem is that no one can precisely define, with any universal certainty, what bullying is or when it has occurred.
So I would abandon any notion that it should be criminalized. You hear me, chronotigger65, drop this whole thing or I'll flatten you.
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 8:28pm |
The Terror of the Wolf part 3Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By chronotigger65 (10 NOV 2005 8:42am)
Should bullying be considered a crime and should there be laws that punish those who do this kind of stuff to others?
Yes. Absoloutely yes.
I remember once in school, I'd managed to trip while heading downstairs and break my ankle. It was between classes, so there wasn't really anything I could do except sit there and hope someone would happen past and give me a hand. The first person to happen across was this weasly, vicious little son of a bitch who'd been trying to make my life difficult for the last year or so. "You okay?" he asked me. "No, I think I broke my ankle" I answered. "Oh" he said. He then kicked me in the ankle good and hard, laughed, and walked off.
Should they make people who act like that liable to legal action? Damn right they should. I mean, have you seen the state of schools these days? Teachers aren't legally permitted to scold their pupils anymore, it's ridiculous. Hell, if I was still in high school, I'd be afraid to go in at all - this week I read a report that stated over a hundred knives, thirty guns and even a FLAMETHROWER had been confiscated from pupils in high schools across the country. A flamethrower, for christ's sake! I mean, if we're living in a world where it's more acceptable to allow legal action against bullying as opposed to, say, the belt, then by all means I'm for your idea.
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 9:04pm |
SarahJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Flamethrower? Where the hell did they get that from?
I don't think happens rarely. It's usually unheard of because kids don't want to talk about it to older people. Bigger cities have bigger bullies.
Usually kids that likes to bully other people have parental problems. They want other peoples attention. School's the only place where they get attention from and also relieve their stress from their hell house. Or they could just be jealous cause they can't be as smart as those geeks/nerds.
If they bully you with words, I don't think anyone could do anything about it. It's like an emotional bully. Even the most expensive school has bullies.
Still busy being a mom &&
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 9:45pm |
chronotigger65Journeyman
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Status : Offline | If Rockstar Grand Theft Auto games weren't enough their working on a game called Bully where as you might guess is about being a bully. I remember looking in a new issue of The Official U.S. Playstation Magazine and come to a article for this game. I was upset by this and I now believe that Rockstar is purposely making games with contrivercial stuff in them to make money.
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 10:03pm |
The Terror of the Wolf part 3Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By chronotigger65 (10 NOV 2005 9:45pm)
If Rockstar Grand Theft Auto games weren't enough their working on a game called Bully where as you might guess is about being a bully. I remember looking in a new issue of The Official U.S. Playstation Magazine and come to a article for this game. I was upset by this and I now believe that Rockstar is purposely making games with contrivercial stuff in them to make money.
Of course they are. They realised that controversy equals cash, and are milking it for all it's worth
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 10:41pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | We have anti-harrassment laws which cover our schools. At the start of every school year the Principal reminds the kids of their obligations and rights.
It's important not only to punish wrong behaviour but to reward desirable behaviour so our school has numerous reward/punishment schemes.
There will always be bullies. My kids have encountered these boys. Where needed I have spoken to the school and the other boy's parents. I don't believe in suffering in silence. I also don't believe that junior school kids are criminals. They are still children and need guidance.
Teenagers now.... that's a whole new ball game. I read too many cases of kids in Britain hanging themselves to escape a school bully.
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 11:17pm |
Sandy_SleuthPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Wow! I wish our school had that here!
I totally agree with you!
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 11:28pm |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | My boys' school has a rule regarding 'exclusion'. If you are playing footy with your friends and another boy wants to join in you have to let him even if you don't like him. If he complains to the teacher that you are 'excluding' him you get punished.
My son hates this rule but what it does is give the unpopular kids a voice, a little extra 'weight' in the hierarchy.
As their play times are supervised the boys often dob each other in for naughty behaviour. Pushing or shoving gets a white slip.
They also have 'white slip' system like in sport. Wrong behaviour is punished by sitting outside the classroom, then given a note in the diary (a book which parents must sign every night and which is our means of communication with the teacher who reads it every day)then a white slip which is signed by the headmaster and if you get 3 of these, then it's a detention.
They have such punishments for the naughty boys as picking up the litter in the playground (this encourages the other boys to deliberately drop stuff and giggle as the naughty child has to pick up after them), and other janitorial exercises like tidying up gym equipment cupboards, etc.
Habitual naughty boys generally miss out on the treats too. There is no corporal punishement anywhere.
There is instant expulsion (no appeal, no mercy) for cigarettes. The school is strictly smoke and drug free.
They even enforce the uniform code very strictly although they relax the short hair requirement for the high school. Some battles you just can't win)
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 11:37pm |
Sandy_SleuthPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Sounds very disciplined, we need to make changes here. Honestly, those are great ideas!
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| 10 NOV 2005 at 11:41pm |
Chris.Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Fantasy Goddess (10 NOV 2005 9:03pm)
Flamethrower? Where the hell did they get that from?
Kids at my school made them from a can of deodrant and a cigarette lighter.
It's important to remember that these are children--most don't bully to be sadistic, they do it because they think it's funny. They just need a swift kick up the arse. Teachers need the right to use corporal punishment.
You don't want to cart them off to Young Offenders' institutions because it will mess up their lives and they will be more likely to become real criminals as adults.
Obviously if they are bringing weapons into school then something more serious needs to be done. Preferably castrate them.
...not to be confused with Keira Knightley
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| 11 NOV 2005 at 10:37am |
TechnoSpikePrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | I think that a little more discipline would be good. But don't blame the school, most of the times it starts at home, by the parents makeing all of what the child wants and thinking "Oh, he is so cute when he yells like that or kick things like that".
BUT, don't blame Rockstar for making "violent" video games...last time I checked, GTA (for instance) was made for people aged more than 17 (in some countries its 18 ), not kids...
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| 11 NOV 2005 at 3:10pm |
Pastor DisasterJourneyman
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Status : Online | So of COURSE that means that kids under 17 don't play it. Of COURSE that means that stores don't sell it to them. All bow before the amazing power of the "M" rating.
Just a note: not all bullied kids are smart and skinny. I for one was smart and chunky. It just means the bullies don't have to aim as carefully.
P.S., I wonder what Betje thinks of this right-wing conversation?
Dyslexics wonder why there isn't a word that means the same thing as "cinnamon."
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| 11 NOV 2005 at 3:45pm |
Sandy_SleuthPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Last night at 10:00pm I was watching "Primetime" and it was about what kids should do in to protect themselves if any kid brings a weapon into their school and is shooting.
It was on because of that recent shooting in that Tenessee school where the assistant principle was shot by a 16 year old, and injured many others. Bullying isn't only on other kids anymore. It's now open season on teachers and principle as well. If no laws are placed to stop this,we will hear more and more about it happening everywhere. The 16 year is going be tried as an adult and I'm glad. He planned it, pre-meditated, and his intent was clear.
The blame game isn't priority right now. It's getting some protective laws in place. A 16 year old may not go through with it, if he was aware that he could be put away for life with adults who would love to make him his girlfriend!
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| 11 NOV 2005 at 4:13pm |
TechnoSpikePrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Pastor, I'm not saying that they don't play the games (either their parents offer them, they borrow it from theirs freinds, they buy it themselves in the store or they download it from the net....when there's a will, there's a way!)....
What I'm saying is that it seems so easy to blame a game on violence in kids instead of trying to find other explanations that I'm sick of earing that the Rockstar guys are corrupting the youngs (and don't get me started on the whole hot-coffe mod thingy... :)...
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| 11 NOV 2005 at 5:35pm |
Chris.Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Pastor Disaster (11 NOV 2005 3:09pm)
So of COURSE that means that kids under 17 don't play it. Of COURSE that means that stores don't sell it to them. All bow before the amazing power of the "M" rating.
[smiley=raise_eyebrow.gif] Are you being sarcastic?
...not to be confused with Keira Knightley
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| 11 NOV 2005 at 5:53pm |
| Deleted User | Well the problem is that if a bully bullies a kid, then the natural reaction is that the other kid will attack the bully. Then that other kid gets in trouble for violence. That happened to me...
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| 11 NOV 2005 at 6:03pm |
Sandy_SleuthPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Ya, I can see that. Especially if they bully bit off more than he could chew!
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| 11 NOV 2005 at 11:36pm |
Pastor DisasterJourneyman
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By chris156 (11 NOV 2005 5:35pm)
[smiley=raise_eyebrow.gif] Are you being sarcastic?
Are you?
TechnoSpike--I know, I know. And I'm not going to deny that many parents bear substantial blame. I just wish that Madison Avenue didn't spend so much money trying to convince my kids how horrible being a kid is, and how much fun being a sexually active, violent, rude, indebted adult is.
Dyslexics wonder why there isn't a word that means the same thing as "cinnamon."
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