| 25 OCT 2005 at 6:33am |
RobDSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | Yeah, they trashed the game. They kept showing the same clip of Victoria baking cookies
over and over again (about 5 times) during the review. All in all another fair, unbiased,
typical adventure game review from the folks at G4TV. [smiley=crazy.gif]
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| 25 OCT 2005 at 7:40am |
DustyTrailIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Typical. Trash a game because of one relatively easy puzzle that had something to do with "household chores". Victoria should have made Pat (father) bake his own cookies. However, it was the Festive Season so she was doing him a favor, as any daughter would, and baked them herself (from a secret recipe!!!). I'm sure Pat enjoyed them, even if he didn't say so. [smiley=laughing.gif]
What amused me was the fact that Pat was trying to fix the Jacuzzi and left his toolbox behind. Perhaps there should have been a mechanical puzzle about Victoria fixing the Jacuzzi, rather than just grabbing the toolbox that Pat forgot to put away?
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| 25 OCT 2005 at 10:52am |
AccolonIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | But he *does* eat the cookies. All of them!
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| 25 OCT 2005 at 4:27pm |
nytimesguyPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | well, I think 2 stars is harsh but I do consider the cookie puzzle an almost perfect example of a badly designed, badly thought out, poorly integrated puzzle. I also didn't think it was easy, unless you consider trial and error easy, which I don't.
I'd give it three stars, but I'm partial to adventure games. I think if you don't have a special fondness for adventure games then two stars is probably fair.
Charles - Game Theorist
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| 25 OCT 2005 at 4:59pm |
TechnoSpikePrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | I haven't played Still life (yet!), but from what I've heard from the game giving it 2 stars out of 5 is low...and I think its stupid to give that much importance to a simple puzzle....if all you did in the game was baking cookies, then I would agree, but I think the game has more puzles, no?
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| 26 OCT 2005 at 9:49pm |
BazzaLBPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By nytimesguy (25 OCT 2005 4:26pm)
well, I think 2 stars is harsh but I do consider the cookie puzzle an almost perfect example of a badly designed, badly thought out, poorly integrated puzzle. I also didn't think it was easy, unless you consider trial and error easy, which I don't.
I agree about the cookie puzzle. I enjoyed the game as a whole though very much (I'd even give it 4 stars if thats what floats people's boat), but I did play it along side another person (which is more common for my adventure playing these days... unless of course I'm playing on the PSP )
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| 27 OCT 2005 at 1:02am |
JenniferscissorsIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | X-Play trashes not only many adventure games, but games I like they will rate a 1 out of 5. That's okay, but they trash some great games, then give a 5 out of 5 to some unplayable and messed up ones; I can't think of an example now.
Sometimes they enjoy adventure games because they gave a good score to Syberia and Syberia 2.
They don't always base the reviews on the gameplay or how original or good it is. They trashed the fact Myst 4 used FMV.
Uh, hello Morgan, Adam, and the stupid writers of the jokes and stupid movie or television references, I don't care. So the people working on the show have an average opinion among the staff that FMV sucks and always sucks, Shut up because I don't care.
I laugh when they are stupid and when they get boring I turn the show off. Get some new writers besides the reject sitcom and comedy show writers you have G4. This is why I hardly watch your channel.
Okay, I got that off my mind. The reviews are really only a small blurb, you can see the entire review on the X-Play website. It's not a very reliable show for an over all review, it's better on just getting a good idea of some bad features and bugs in the game. So, they provide a small amount of good information.
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The evil scissors still live. Who will escape this game alive?
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| 27 OCT 2005 at 1:54am |
MikekellyPrivate Detective
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For hard-core Syberia-type third person adventure game fans - Still Life was pure love!
However, I can see how others would not love it so.
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| 27 OCT 2005 at 12:09pm |
AlGrooverIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | I thought the cookie puzzle was one of the better ones. It could still be solved if you know little about cooking by adopting a methodical approach. By classifying ingredients and units of measure into solids and liquids and likely relative amounts, I was able to draw up a list of maybe 5 or 6 possible combinations to try. I seem to remember it took maybe 30 minutes.
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| 29 OCT 2005 at 9:05pm |
KCgirlgeekIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | > GRRRRRRRRRRR.....they gave Still Life a 2??!!
I LOVED Still Life!! Of course, I love a LOT of games, because I just love games. I love games that reviewers like, and games that reviewers DISlike. So, I'm always "grrrring" at one reviewer or another....LOL.
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| 30 OCT 2005 at 1:00am |
Mr. WrecksSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Ya well this doesn't surprise me. Adam and Morgan aren't in any way, shape, or form, fans of the adventure genre so it's to be expected - especially when they go in to the review with this mindset.
They both are platform junkies so that right there shows where any adventure game review is going.
I find it hard to watch the show most of the time, as Morgan Webb has to be the most talentless, boring, condescending, sarcastic, cue-card reading robot of a host of any show ever.
Still Life rocked.
I give X-Play a snide 1 out of 5 stars.
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| 31 OCT 2005 at 1:40pm |
judyannSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I, too, did not like the cookie baking puzzle. I would bake them at home if I could find my kitchen and the ingredients, figure out the recipe, and find the directions for turning on the oven.) As far as I am concerned household activities should be left out if not an intergral part of the plot.
But a 2! One goofy, sensless puzzle does not a game make. I just finished Still Life last night. Overall, it was one of the better games I have played in years.
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| 31 OCT 2005 at 6:04pm |
jalexSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By nytimesguy (25 OCT 2005 4:26pm)
well, I think 2 stars is harsh but I do consider the cookie puzzle an almost perfect example of a badly designed, badly thought out, poorly integrated puzzle. I also didn't think it was easy, unless you consider trial and error easy, which I don't.
I'd give it three stars, but I'm partial to adventure games. I think if you don't have a special fondness for adventure games then two stars is probably fair.
I agree. That puzzle was just thrown into the game and didn't belong. I thought even the ones that did seem intigrated into thee game were poorly done.
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| 31 OCT 2005 at 6:39pm |
AkhillesPrivate Detective
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Tkamba (25 OCT 2005 5:41am)
My son just happened to ask me tonight out of the blue if I have every played Still Life. I said yes and asked him why, curious.
He asked if I’ve baked any cookies. I laughed and said I had in fact, but that her father never shows up to eat them after begging her to make them. He laughedd.
He said X-Play on cable TV reviewed Still Life and gave it 2 out of 5 stars. He said they talked about the cookies and rated it 2 out of 5 stars.
The tools on G4TV aren't to be trusted for their gaming reviews.
Decent reviews (especially adventure games) elude them like good-taste and style...
I find it hard to watch the show most of the time, as Morgan Webb has to be the most talentless, boring, condescending, sarcastic, cue-card reading robot of a host of any show ever.
What about Kristin Holt, the "Cheat" show? Why does she dress up like it's a cocktail party? And she's obviously a cue-card gamer as well. The guy she replaced was obviously a gamer and alot better host.
The network is slowly falling apart anyway. Racing shows.. "The Man Show"... what does this have to do with gaming? Call for Help (NOT their show) is the only redeeming show they still have.
You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.
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| 31 OCT 2005 at 8:01pm |
Mr. WrecksSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Akhilles (31 OCT 2005 6:39pm)
What about Kristin Holt, the "Cheat" show? Why does she dress up like it's a cocktail party? And she's obviously a cue-card gamer as well. The guy she replaced was obviously a gamer and alot better host.
Yet another example of G4TV's misdirection. Ya, I think the former host was Cory Something-Or-Other, and he was great.
G4 is going to end up like MTV. Started out with great content and focus, then takes a turn for the worse when trying to add "variety" to "broaden the audience" and appeal to the masses.
Yech. Turn it off.
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| 31 OCT 2005 at 8:14pm |
ShanyGuild Master
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Status : Online | [What about Kristin Holt, the "Cheat" show? Why does she dress up like it's a cocktail party? And she's obviously a cue-card gamer as well. The guy she replaced was obviously a gamer and alot better host.
She's so annoying! It's obvious they got her because people though Corey (the former host) was annoying, but at least he seemed like he enjoyed hosting the show. She's just reading the cards in the worst attempt at being funny I've seen.
I don't think Morgan is that bad, and with Adam, the show is pretty funny (most other hosts on G4 make me cringe).
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| 31 OCT 2005 at 8:33pm |
| Deleted User | The network is slowly falling apart anyway. Racing shows.. "The Man Show"... what does this have to do with gaming? Call for Help (NOT their show) is the only redeeming show they still have
I agree! Pat & Leo were doing "The Screensavers" which I use to watch religiously. I loved those guys and their crew. You learned and laughed at the same time. Then they tried to appeal more to the young action-gamer crowd than to the fanbase that made that network grow. I miss TechTV. I don't watch G4TV.
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| 31 OCT 2005 at 11:23pm |
RobDSorcerer Apprentice
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Status : Online | I don't think Morgan is that bad either. Adam is funny, yes, but somtimes he comes up
with some ridiculous comments and innuendo that have no business being in a review show.
When they reviewed The Moment of Silence the first thing out of Adam's mouth was
'I'm surprised they even make games like this anymore' (meaning point and click).
After the review was over he said something like 'There's only a handful of people
who make these games anymore. There's a reason for that' (as both he and Morgan stare
at the camera with condescending looks).
What's your point Adam? Review the game, you twit, not the genre. >
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| 1 NOV 2005 at 5:02am |
| Deleted User | ***Laughing***
But I LIKE those two twits, even if they are biased towards shooters.
And I happen to agree with them about Moment of Silence. I never played Sims, wasn't interested. But MOS seemed like a Sims game to me. Anything with that much conversation threads is an instant uninstall and toss in the trash verdict.
To me it's a waste of a mouse to use it clicking on drop-down conversation threads.
If anything ever manages to kill off the adventure genre it will be exploitative use of excessive conversations, imho.
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| 1 NOV 2005 at 7:29pm |
ktetchIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By nytimesguy (25 OCT 2005 4:26pm)
well, I think 2 stars is harsh but I do consider the cookie puzzle an almost perfect example of a badly designed, badly thought out, poorly integrated puzzle. I also didn't think it was easy, unless you consider trial and error easy, which I don't.
I don't do a lot of baking. I've never seen, let alone used mollases. I found it very easy. I used an application of common sense. more flour than sugar. difference between liquids and solids. Its all quite elementary when you think about it. The lockpick was much harder, or indeed the laser maze (that had me stuck for the longest time of anything in the game.)
Cooking is an integral part of Christmas, especially (as i've found in the last two years since I moved stateside) in the US. Apart from a 'decorate the tree with heavy orniments and keep it from being overballanced' there isn't much in the way of other seasonal puzzles that would have fit. Of course, the easiest of all would have been to just look in a book, or on the net for a cookie recipe.
It was a good tense game overall. now, i never look at the developer or whatever before i start playing them,so when I started I was starting to feel a whole CSI slant to it, but thankfully it got a LOT better. FAR surpassed Syberia, in plot, execution, and in just not repeating 'Kate Walker' everywhere (Or victria for that matter).
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