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| 8 SEP 2005 at 2:40am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Not to rain on anyone's parade, but JA gives out "A" grades to new adventure games like it's going out of style.
The game could still be good, though.
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 7:58am |
| Deleted User | IMO, it's very good for what it IS ........... SEE
http://www.justadventure.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=AdvGameDiscuss;action=display;num=1125705838
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 8:30am |
ElfstoneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Is it a German game or why the "üsseldorf"? ???
I try and check it out later. Sounds JUST like my type of game.
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 3:38pm |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jujigatame (8 SEP 2005 2:40am)
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but JA gives out "A" grades to new adventure games like it's going out of style.
I have to agree. :-/
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 5:43pm |
| Deleted User | I do not pretend to have any statistics whatsoever on JA+’s awarding of “A” grades or any others … either on Indie &/or freeware games, or any others! Nor do I intend to dabble in that area.
A very good review was given on JA+ and an excellent grade.
As mentioned before, Charles Herold (whoever that is) wrote very recently in the New York Times … “the game's laugh-outloud dialogue and clever puzzles make Düsseldorf the best adventure game I've played this year”.
I understand that one or two more Sites are shortly going to post reviews. It will be interesting to see what THEY think.
P.S. ~~~~~ I (and all my family) enjoyed "Jess" thoroughly.
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 8:05pm |
nytimesguyPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | The odd thing about this review is it doesn't actually talk about the game part, just the dialogue and graphics. The puzzles are also quite good.
As mentioned before, Charles Herold (whoever that is) wrote very recently in the New York Times
That's me! Apparently not very well known. :-(
Charles - Game Theorist
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 8:35pm |
Chris.Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Elfstone (8 SEP 2005 8:29am)
Is it a German game or why the "üsseldorf"? ???
The game's villain is the evil Baron von Düsseldorf. We know he's evil because he has a German accent...
...not to be confused with Keira Knightley
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 8:58pm |
enchantedmoonsIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Hi everyone. I'm the one who wrote this review and I just wanted to add my "two cents" to the topic at hand.
This is the first review I've ever written, and so it may not be up to everyone's standards...but, I hope to do more in the future and to get better at it as I go.
Also, JA+ might hand out "A's" like they're going out of style, but I don't. I was actually surprised to find myself giving this game an "A" because in general, I'm not crazy about independent games. But I think because of the dialogue and unusual storyline, plus all of the work that went into making this a funny game, I think it deserved the grade.
As to why I didn't go into more detail about the storyline and what you have to do, etc., I mentioned that in my review----this was one of those really unusual games that had to be experienced to be believed, and I think that finding things out as the player went along about the storyline and stuff would be more fun for them than if I went into detail about everything before hand.
Again, I am new to reviewing and so maybe I could have done it better or differently, but for my first time at bat, I'd like to think that I did at least an "okay" job.
Tracy
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 9:43pm |
IviniaGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Enchantedmoons - I wasn't in any way criticizing your grade. Juji made a statement about too many A's. I agreed.
I do think that 'A's should be somewhat rare and a game needs to be of high quality in all areas to get an A. I've said this before and I'll say it again, what if another free hilarious AG comes out but with great voice acting, a deeper story, and gorgeous graphics? How would you review that? Another A? You kind of painted yourself into a corner.
I don't think this is a JA 'thing'. I think the problem lies with there being so many different reviewers and the only ones writing up a review are those that liked a particular game. As a result, it gives the impression that JA hands out A's. The reality is that there isn't one JA reviewer who is grading all these. If there was, then I think people would see more varied scores. You obviously LOVED the game and gave it a score you felt it deserved. Considering not many people actually take the time to write a review, I applaud your effort.
If you want my opinion (well, I'm going to give it anyway ), I think every game should have 2 reviewers: 1 that liked it and explaining why and the other from someone who did not like it and explaining why. With that, I think people would be much better able to get the jist of the game.
LenG - Neither I nor Juji (I think) were criticizing Jessica Dusseldorf. It was a general statement, not specifically directed to the game.
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 11:15pm |
| Deleted User | :As mentioned before, Charles Herold (whoever that is) wrote very recently in the New York Times
That's me! Apparently not very well known.
That sounded insulting (of me) &/or patronizing.
I certainly didn't mean it that way ... and apologise if I gave that wrong impression !
Thanks for letting me & others know !
((( Since I don't live in the USA, it's not surprising that I'm not aware of any of the writers of the NYT.
A prestigious paper AFAIK ... Congratulations. )))
Anyhow, I agree with your assessment of the game, and Tracy Steen's, and many others who have enjoyed a highly entertaining & enjoyable freeware Indie game.
The thread I opened had nothing to do with JA+'s (or anybody else's) grading of games.
This is a whole very large subject in itself with MANY ramifications ... But nothing whatsoever connected with Jessica Plunkenstein or Baron von Düsseldorf.
That is a subject for an entirely different thread ... if so desired by whoever !
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| 8 SEP 2005 at 11:43pm |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | LenG - Neither I nor Juji (I think) were criticizing Jessica Dusseldorf. It was a general statement, not specifically directed to the game.
This is true. I have no issue with this game. I just take issue with JA posing "A" reviews of stuff like Quiet Weekend in Capri and not really having anywhere upward to go for the true classics.
Sorry for hijacking your thread to vent.
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| 9 SEP 2005 at 12:45am |
| Deleted User | That's OK ! [smiley=angel_smiley.gif] [smiley=beer_buds.gif]
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| 9 SEP 2005 at 2:46am |
nytimesguyPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By jujigatame (8 SEP 2005 11:43pm)
This is true. I have no issue with this game. I just take issue with JA posing "A" reviews of stuff like Quiet Weekend in Capri and not really having anywhere upward to go for the true classics.
Probably better to have waited for JA to give an A to something that you felt didn't deserve it, rather than a game you hadn't tried. I think Jessica does deserve an A, (or perhaps an A-, so if a game as funny and well designed as Jessica comes out that has state of the art graphics I can give it an A). On the other hand, Weekend in Capri I couldn't get through at all, it just seemed annoying within the first hour or so.
JA does give out a lot of As I would consider undeserved, but Tracy Steen's grade is quite reasonable, so we have to wait until she favorably reviews something we hate before we get to tell her off. ;-)
Charles - Game Theorist
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| 9 SEP 2005 at 3:02am |
CrapstormJourneyman
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Status : Online | Several JA+ writers complain frequently about the tough way that non-adventure game sites, like Gamespot and IGN, rate adventure games. For example, Dark Fall: The Journal scored an easy A on JA+, while Gamespot gave it a tepid 6.4 out of 10. I just looked at the Gamespot ratings for a bunch of JA+'s A-games, and they were mostly in the 6 to 7 range.
The difference is due to the fact that the JA+ reviewers are people who love the adventure genre and are predisposed to enjoy just about any solid adventure game. As well, I would suggest that JA+ might inflate its grades in reaction to other game sites that seem to be unduly harsh on adventure games.
In my opinion, there are only a handful of truly great adventure games that deserve an A. As I explore this genre, I find myself routinely exasperated by how many stupid flaws and cliches litter even the most celebrated titles. I still call myself an adventure game fan, because I really, really love the masterpiece games. But they are like diamonds in the rough.
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| 9 SEP 2005 at 3:43am |
SusanGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By nytimesguy (8 SEP 2005 8:05pm)
That's me! Apparently not very well known. :-( We just know you as nytimesguy.
I miss my Bubba: 1986 - 2006.
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| 9 SEP 2005 at 4:33pm |
nytimesguyPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Susan (9 SEP 2005 3:42am)
We just know you as nytimesguy.
Yeah, but it would be nice if people actually new the the New York Times reviewed videogames on a biweekly basis and that Charles Herold was the reviewer, and not nearly as many people know that as know that Stephen Holden writes movie reviews for the Times. It just makes me a little sad. :-(
Charles - Game Theorist
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| 9 SEP 2005 at 4:43pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Who is Stephen Holden ???
Dear Diary, My teenage angst bullsh*t now has a bodycount.
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| 10 SEP 2005 at 9:18am |
Chris.Schattenjger
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Status : Online | He writes movie reviews for the Times
...not to be confused with Keira Knightley
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| 10 SEP 2005 at 6:24pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | See, I knew Charles Herold wrote game reviews for NYT. And I knew he was nytimesguy here. I have no idea who Stephen Holden even is. So it's not that bad Mr. nytimesguy!
I forgot my sig.
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| 10 SEP 2005 at 7:41pm |
nytimesguyPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By MichalN (10 SEP 2005 6:24pm)
See, I knew Charles Herold wrote game reviews for NYT. And I knew he was nytimesguy here. I have no idea who Stephen Holden even is. So it's not that bad Mr. nytimesguy!
:-)
Charles - Game Theorist
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