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| 3 APR 2005 at 7:43pm | |
silverblueIntergalactic Janitor Posts : 7 Joined: 3 APR 2005 Status : Online | Hi, every body Lately I've been playing Return to Mystery Island I found a walkthough at gamebroomers with a score of 356 and that's the highest one I can find on line But one of my friends beat it at the score of 373 !! So I just wonder what the official highest score is? Is it 400? Or higher? Does anybody knows? |
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| 3 APR 2005 at 7:45pm | |
ShanyGuild Master  Posts : 3313 Joined: 19 JUN 2003 Status : Online | I would guess it's 400 because of the possible bonus, but I really don't know. I'll try and search and see if there's anyone who got 400. |
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| 3 APR 2005 at 7:49pm | |
silverblueIntergalactic JanitorPosts : 7 Joined: 3 APR 2005 Status : Online | thanks I really want to know the highest score too |
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| 6 APR 2005 at 6:03pm | |
AvakaJourneyman  Posts : 1437 Joined: 17 SEP 2003 Status : Online | I didn't know there was a scoring thing going on with this game until I read this post. At that time I wasn't complete with the game yet. I just now finished it and got a 340 score. I think I'll play it again and see if I can find more things to score with. I wish I would of known ... but it should be fun to play it again, though. Myst IV - Never finished it. Got frustrated with it.&&Myst V - Did not finish it either. Very disappointing.&&ATTWN - BORING!!! Never finished it. Kept falling asleep.&&Paradise - So far .... not so good&&Voyage - Not on my favorite list |
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| 6 APR 2005 at 7:29pm | |
silverblueIntergalactic JanitorPosts : 7 Joined: 3 APR 2005 Status : Online | I've just write to the game's maker to ask for an official highest score, and they say one of the developer made it 393! But they still haven't told me the official highest score.... |
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| 6 APR 2005 at 9:44pm | |
AvakaJourneymanPosts : 1437 Joined: 17 SEP 2003 Status : Online | Did you know there was some scoring points going on for this game before you started? I was in the Nautilus, at the very end, when I saw some white box apear with numbers that meant nothing to me. Then I came to this thread and read that there's a score to this game. Huh, 340 isn't that good then if others got 393 or even 400. Let us know what you hear about an official score. In the mean time I'll play the game again, but this time I'll watch my scores. Are there several diff ending that are possible? Myst IV - Never finished it. Got frustrated with it.&&Myst V - Did not finish it either. Very disappointing.&&ATTWN - BORING!!! Never finished it. Kept falling asleep.&&Paradise - So far .... not so good&&Voyage - Not on my favorite list |
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| 11 APR 2005 at 8:53pm | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | On my second play-through I got 350 points, compiling a point list along the way (a bit extra work, but fun). I could buy the guide, but it's more fun that way. I'm well aware of at least 10 points I missed plus the musical puzzle at the end (I didn't solve it and I won't, without a walkthrough...). I can give some points of attention towards maximizing the score, involving some "cheats". Here we go: * in general, try to create every possible combination with your ressources (some planning is needed) * yes, that involves making "mistakes" like breaking a coconut (actually, that's the only example I can think of regarding mistakes...perhaps breaking a knife on an oyster gets you points, I forgot to test that, will do later) * it's especially vital to give Jep nothing to eat that can be used to produce alcohol of it (I gave him pine kernels and one open coconut, saving food for 6 bowls alcohol, including a lemon I later removed from the Volta battery), and of course, he should drink once, because repleneshing water always gains you another point ("unfortunately" Jep can only drink once...) * the same is true for the cake...it's best to use coconut for it (the one you get after Jep is healed - or you shoot it with the slingshot), at least I hope you can't make Batida de Coco in this game ...there is no need to worry about eggs, I never used all of them * drive the monkeys in the ruins away with your slingshot (+10)...you get nothing for the sneaky approach! * very important: there are a list of items that can be picked up more than once and you get points for each item you pick up (not every item you create, though) so, missing out on this is most likely the reason why you end up with lower scores, the list includes - water (6x) - clay (and this is a HUGE point reserve, because you can use a neat little trick...just give the clay to Jep and you can pick up another lump of clay! do this every time you can...I got it 7 times, which makes it the most rewarding item) - washing cloth and burning cloth (wash every dirty cloth - the four of them from the scarecrow - and use burnt cloth as combustible whenever you can - which is, for every of the 3 fires except the first - thus you will get more points and won't even need any of the other combustibles) - saltpeter (4x) - alcohol (as often as you can distill it) * by the time you have to destroy/disable the guardian robots, use this rule of thumb: - a unique way of disposal (cannon, dynamite, lightning) gains you 10 points - shooting the thruster with bow and arrow is worth 7 points (I noticed this when it was already too late...) - shooting the guardians with the gun is only 3 points - each guardian outside has a thruster and a damaged key to pick up (6 robots in total) + one guardian on the submarine that leaves nothing behind * at the laser beam don't forget to first use the lightning arrester to pass, then send Jep to the box with a screwdriver and disarm the beam (you can also use dynamite to blow it up, but I suggest using that for the guardian robot at the windmill, instead) * I'm quite sure that the non-inventory-based puzzles keep track of the time you need to solve them (thus the counter in the upper right corner (?)), because I got 6 points on my second run in the one on Nemo's vault and that seems a little unusual...which means you have to try again until you have the max score which will be 10 * I guess, solve the musical puzzle, because the quiz doesn't give you any points I left the beach area with 46 points, does anyone beat that? Things I didn't yet check or forgot: - breaking the knife on the oyster (if you try to open the 3rd the knife will break) - using burnt cloth as combustible for the fire in the pottery oven (I used the logs, missing out on a point) - giving the dynamite to Jep - max out the score on the guardians - max out the score on the machinery puzzles - the musical puzzle Items I didn't use (aside from various combustibles and accelerants): - nails (the other ones...you can use them to load the cannon, but there's no need because you have 2 iron filings and only need one for the gun, so this seems a bit too much surplus...) - I had 3 barrels of gunpowder, to use up the saltpeter and get more of it...only used one for the cannon (because I used guncotton for the gun) - pieces of cloth (cut from the second shirt...but it gives points) That's enough for now. I might post a point list later on and maybe a list of all the items. I haven't seen one anywhere else. I guess the strategy guide covers this. [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 13 APR 2005 at 6:59am | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | I looked over my point list and assumed the situation in which I got max points (+10, that is) for defeating guardians and solving the non-inventory-based puzzles. I'm not really sure if you can get max points for all those (I couldn't think of a way for 3 of the guardians other than shooting them with a bow, which is only worth 7 points), but assuming you can and that the musical puzzle gives you 10 points, plus I do all the things I wrote down as missing...I end up with 385 points. Assuming 395 is the max score (read it in several places), there are only 10 points missing somewhere. I try to get that far on another run, we'll see... I should at least reach 366 (substracting the assumed 10 for the musical puzzle and 9 for those 3 guardians I can only shoot). [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 14 APR 2005 at 1:09am | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | I finished my 3rd run and got a score of 364. As I will explain later there is something wrong with this and I should have 367. I REALLY want to see how you are supposed to get 395...I can't help but wonder those are either false rumors or some seriously hidden eastereggs. The highest I found so far is...well...it's actually my score. Here's the former checklist: - breaking the knife on the oyster (if you try to open the 3rd the knife will break) check - no points for this, no bad luck if you do, just make a knife out of the other part (rusty metal or metal plaque) - using burnt cloth as combustible for the fire in the pottery oven (I used the amadou, missing out on a point) check - giving the dynamite to Jep check - max out the score on the guardians check...I guess...3 of the robots outside can only be shot with the bow...I couldn't find any other way to get rid of them...plus the one on the submarine you have to shoot as far as I can tell - max out the score on the machinery puzzles check...or not? I checked with the walkthrough on Gameboomers and there it says that the tile puzzle with the 'N' is supposed to give you 10 points...but I got only 5 (no clue how I got the idea that I had 6 on my 2nd run...I don't think that's possible)...perhaps a mistake in the walkthrough or you can really beat it faster and get 10? - the musical puzzle check...this one is worth 10 points, nice But I found another trick to get an extra point: You can have 5x saltpeter. (1) and (2) making gunpowder (3) combine with sulfuric acid and put the mix in the still to get 3x nitric acid (4) combine it with sulfuric acid and get (5), then you can disassemble the mixture (unusual, but in this case it's possible to enable the use of this trick) and use the sulfuric acid to make guncotton...getting a freebie saltpeter that way! if you don't "hide" the saltpeter in sulfuric acid, but use up the sulfuric acid instead...you won't get a 5th saltpeter, that's it! that's quite tricky and I actually got it by assuming I had made a mistake... Now, let's calculate... I had 350 points on my 2nd run through the game. Adding the points on the checklist I got this time around, that is +1 for using burnt cloth as combustible in the pottery oven, thus burning a new cloth, getting that point +1 for giving the dynamite to Jep +4 for maxing out the guardian-killing-score, because in the previous game I shot one guardian with the gun for 3 points, this time getting 7 points for that one +10 for the musical puzzle +1 for the new saltpeter-gathering trick -------------- 350 + 17 = 367 So, my obvious question is...where did those 3 points go? I must have forgotten something...and it was NOT washing Jep with the soap! Aaaand, I finished this game on the 4th run, this time going for the minimalistic approach (125 points, as rumor says), quite carefully planning, but ending up with a huge 157...oh boy...that's over-the-top! This way may be the hardest, because you really have to think about what you need and what you don't...I might detail that later, if anyone is still interested. I can't imagine to cut back on 32 points, but I guess I can reduce it considerably. The tricky thing is eating, basically. And which guards you gonna kill. Enough for now. I'm addicted to this game. It's scary. [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 15 APR 2005 at 9:42pm | |
silverblueIntergalactic JanitorPosts : 7 Joined: 3 APR 2005 Status : Online | Hey, My Sister's written a walkthrough with a score of 386, this is the highest score (in a walkthrough telling you how to make it) I can find on the internet. http://www.chinaavg.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=8&ID=569&page=1 sorry it's written in Chinese, I will translate it when I have time! Has anyone found a score higher than 386? (in walkthrough) |
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| 16 APR 2005 at 1:17am | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | Guess why I didn't find THAT! 386 sounds insane...in this case, 395 sounds just about right for a max score. I think Kheops said that is the highest possible (I found it in various reviews, those not mentioning the sources). I'm working on a point list... But let's see what I can decipher (actually, I have not even Chinese installed, I can only see question marks and numbers ): The first paragraph is clearly giving the beach score. That's 46, the same that I have. Btw, you CAN beat that...if you take the Giant oyster. It's there all the time, just that you wouldn't find it without knowing where to look for it. The second paragraph describes everything in order to heal Jep up to the Granite House, concluding with the alcohol, as I assume (you will later see why). 3rd paragraph is the volcanic area and back to Granite House, most likely, (3) stating how many saltpeter to get (in case I'm correct, I think I beat that...). The rest I can't tell, except the last paragraph, but there are things I wonder about...for example 11 points opposed to 12 points. I can only assume that she didn't find the key that belongs to the guardian you shoot with the cannon. The key is in the next screen...the Gameboomers walkthrough was missing that, too. I find it interesting that there are two occurences of 4 points. I could never find a single one, except you count washing the dirty cloths which amounts to 4 in total. I suppose the (6) is what you get by producing alcohol, because I got exactly 6 bowls of it. Seems like she put single points into a bundle more than once. [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 16 APR 2005 at 10:01pm | |
gameplayerIntergalactic Janitor Posts : 98 Joined: 25 AUG 2004 Status : Online | I notice that a lot of people shot robots with bow and arrow, I used a gun I found in the cave maybe that gives you more points. Just a thought. Carol :-* |
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| 17 APR 2005 at 1:22am | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | Originally Posted By gameplayer (16 APR 2005 10:01pm) Nope. It's the other way around. Shooting the robots with the bow gives you 7 points. Shooting them with the gun only 3 points. Which makes sense, because it's harder to defeat them with the bow (you have to target the thruster, that's the green glowing thing on the bottom). [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 17 APR 2005 at 11:34am | |
uranus1997Intergalactic JanitorPosts : 6 Joined: 17 APR 2005 Status : Online | "I can only assume that she didn't find the key that belongs to the guardian you shoot with the cannon. The key is in the next screen..." Sorry about that I had find the key before, your assumer is wrong. |
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| 17 APR 2005 at 8:09pm | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | Originally Posted By uranus1997 (17 APR 2005 11:34am) Yes, of course. The key is in another screen so it makes sense that you don't add it immediately. Pardon my insolence. It's good that you are here. It would be nice if you check my point list in the other thread and tell me if you see something I obviously missed there. I can't test at the moment, not enough time for that (and my wrist really hurts...). Just have a quick look and maybe you find out what I missed. Maybe I also got something you missed. Together we might make the 395 points... [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 18 APR 2005 at 2:36am | |
tanstaaflIntergalactic Janitor Posts : 15 Joined: 14 APR 2005 Location: US Status : Offline | I have a walkthru on my site that comes out around 365 points. I know it's possible to do better since having read this and the other thread I see there are a few things I didn't do. (I scared the monkeys away instead of using the slingshot, I could have saved two more coconuts for alcohol than I did, I didn't do any tricks to get extra clay or saltpeter, I could have gotten at least one more burned cloth, could have given Jep a few more different things and probably one or two others.) If I did all of those it would probably be around 380. I think there is a random component to the scoring too; I know that I scored 367 at least once but can't think of what I did differently that time. When I was testing the walkthru I varied between 362 and 367 but am not sure what the difference is. (Should I get points for getting the monkey to let go of the windmill blade? I seem to suspiciously get no points for that, beyond the points for whatever I give Jep to give it.) Oh yeah, I'm new here. (Waves.) Hope no one minds my jumping in... |
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| 18 APR 2005 at 6:23am | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | Welcome! We certainly don't mind you jumping in, it's very interesting to see that you missed quite a lot of points and still end up with 365. I will read your walkthrough as soon as I can get to it. Things to notice for me: - saving coconuts for alcohol...I didn't do that, because Jep loves coconuts and I think it might be better to give one to Jep in order for him to be full faster, therefore saving more stuff...but I'm not sure - random component in scoring...yeah, I got that vibe, too, strangely, because I should have had 370, but had only 364...that's pretty mysterious - monkey at the mill: you don't get any points for him, at least I never got, but I didn't try all the stuff you can give him...I find it strange that you get points for scaring away/comforting the other monkeys, but not that one, yet, it appears this is the case Btw: I see you have extensive Lost reviews, too! Are you by any chance a member at the Unofficial Lost Board? They have HUGE listings of theories, a timeline and stuff about the numbers...best site next to JA+! [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 18 APR 2005 at 6:33pm | |
silverblueIntergalactic JanitorPosts : 7 Joined: 3 APR 2005 Status : Online | Please wait patiently My sister is now translating her Walktru into english In about 2 or 3 weeks later, I'm sure everybody can have a check 386 points! |
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| 18 APR 2005 at 8:52pm | |
tanstaaflIntergalactic JanitorPosts : 15 Joined: 14 APR 2005 Location: US Status : Offline | OK, I have merged what I found while creating my original walkthrough with what others have found elsewhere in this thread and have come up with a minimalist 379 point walkthrough. This walkthrough shows every action I took and the points I got (or didn't get) for those actions. My score didn't improve as much as I thought it would, probably because most of the new actions werew repetative actions that you don't get additional points for or because they were alternatives to something else I was already doing. A few things I noticed. The only points you can get for food items is for coconuts, oysters and eggs. You get a point the first time you open a coconut with your knife, the first time you open an oyster with your knife and the first time you use the key on a raw egg. You get nothing if you put all of the oysters or eggs in the fire. Smashing a coconut with the sandstone is worth a point but you also get a point by saving it and using it to make alcohol. When combining things with Jep for points, the grapes, oranges, open coconuts, cake and alcohol all count as a "present" and you can only get one point for any of them. Usually you only get points the first time you create something. The exception seems to be alcohol; I managed to create eight bowls and got a point each time. Most of the puzzles seem to give you 10 points but the one by the shock cannon in the canyon gave me 11 and the rotating tile puzzle on the Nautilus (the one upstairs, not the one on the safe) only gave me 6. This may be part of the randomization that seems to be going on. And, if the max score is really 400, we have a lot to find yet... Elfstone, thanks for the welcome. I haven't seen the Lost board you mention yet but I'll check it out. The one I'm on mostly is The Fuselage. Actually, (and not just to keep this on-topic) there are quite a few similarities between Lost and Return to Mysterious Island. If nothing else, both of them involve good-sized islands located near the equator in the south Pacific that are mysteriously uncharted despite their size and despite being near major shipping and travel lanes. Both islands also have evidence of previous visitors and of something mysterious going on. Who knows, maybe Lostzilla is one of Nemo's guardian robots? And that hatch sure looks like something that belongs on the Nautilus, doesn't it? Hmmm... |
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| 18 APR 2005 at 10:56pm | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | Originally Posted By tanstaafl (18 APR 2005 8:52pm) I check it out later. But I found something else in the meantime, I come to that later. Usually you only get points the first time you create something. The exception seems to be alcohol; I managed to create eight bowls and got a point each time. 8? Ok, I got 6, but I smashed a coconut instead, so, it's just one bowl missing and that's maybe yet another one you used to make alcohol while I was doing something else. I'll check that later. Most of the puzzles seem to give you 10 points but the one by the shock cannon in the canyon gave me 11 and the rotating tile puzzle on the Nautilus (the one upstairs, not the one on the safe) only gave me 6. This may be part of the randomization that seems to be going on. So, I WAS NOT dreaming!! The second time around when I was keeping track of the score I got the impression that the puzzle on the upper door gave me 6 points, but I never got that amount ever again, just 5. And the one at the laser beam gave me 10 all the time. There is NO randomization...you get an extra point if you are extra-fast! I think I figured it out. That should give you some more points as of yet unaccounted for...
I've heard about the Fuselage. I just checked and it looks quite chaotic, the Unofficial Lost Board is really neat and you won't find such dedicated people anywhere else in the LostVerse (stupid word creations...). The theory index is madness... And YES! RTMI definitely has a Lost vibe to it, most likely because the Lost staff was heavily inspired by Jules Verne... Btw, I happen to think that the "monster" is mechanical since the beginning. This would coincide somehow. I checked your real walkthrough and prepared a list of improvements for it...but you got it already, I think. Btw: Finally, the game has arrived in German. After I read the raving reviews (many thanks to thomasbc) I had to get this game. I ordered it in German, but had to wait. So I downloaded it in English (I wanted to play it that way, anyway) because I have not much time from now on and couldn't afford to wait any longer. As I said, I have the German version as well. Don't worry, I only downloaded it to play the English version and have a common ground when doing the point list. That's why all the names I use match with those of the English version, in case anyone wondered. I think I haven't been this dedicated to any game in quite some time... [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 18 APR 2005 at 10:58pm | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | Originally Posted By silverblue (18 APR 2005 6:32pm) That's very nice. But I found another walkthrough in German with 389 points, apparently Seems like now I am the one to do the translation... I noticed that this walkthrough is NOT hunting for points, yet, the screenshot at the end shows 389 points...I'm not sure whether or not this corresponds to the walkthrough at hand, I'd rather say it doesn't, because it's missing ALL the points from the fuse box puzzle! But think again...this would be - according to tanstaafl - amount to 11 points...389 + 11 = 400! Nice? Or just a coincidence, because the screenshot has actually nothing in common with the rest of the walkthrough? I don't know, I will check later. That's only 6 points short of what is rumoured to be the max score (I read 395 in several places, not 400, meaning, there is no bonus material to get...). Ok, tanstaafl...I didn't go to bed just yet and instead checked your point list and I see that miss a point: You directly put the Maple syrup into the still, don't do that...turn it into Sugar first, then put that Sugar in the still. You get a point for BOTH Sugar you make, you may have missed that. That's one point missing compared to my list. You are still 2 short of mine, somehow. But I need to check up with the 389 walkthrough before any major updating is done here... [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 19 APR 2005 at 2:48am | |
tanstaaflIntergalactic JanitorPosts : 15 Joined: 14 APR 2005 Location: US Status : Offline | Thanks, I hadn't caught that the sugar could go in the still as well; that would bring my list up to 380. I get one more alcohol than you because you give a coconut to Jep and a pinecone to the mill monkey. I give the pinecone to Jep, turn the coconut into alcohol then give the alcohol to the mill monkey. I think that works out to an extra point. Smashing a coconut or turning it into alcohol each give you one point, so that's a wash. Two oranges, two lemons (including the one retrieved from the Volta battery), two coconuts, one sugar and one grapes gives eight alcohols. A third coconut and the second sugar go to the cake. The cake itself is only worth two points (one to make and one to bake) but doing so lets you get another water, so overall its worth three points. Turning the coconut and sugar into alcohol would only give two. Now, a coconut is worth six health to Jep while a pinecone is only worth four. So, two coconuts can replace all three pinecones. If there is something the pinecones can be used for that gives three or more points then it would be better to give the cocos to Jep instead of using them in the still. Maybe I'll play around and see if I can find another use for the pinecones. (And I can't believe I'm obsessing over maxing my score in this game : ) |
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| 19 APR 2005 at 7:13am | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | Yes, it's scary. I mean, highscores are an object of fascination and a great motivator for me since the beginning of time, but I'm really fanatic at the moment... You are right, I gave the monkey at the mill a pine kernel (that's why I gave Jep a coconut), because I didn't keep in mind that you can give that monkey alcohol, which you have plenty. Quite an oversight. And yes, the cake is worth 3 points as you mentioned. I'm still wondering about those items: the second pair of nails - ok, you can put them in the cannon, but where's the need to do that since you have a pair of iron filings, too? for the min score, you could argue, but there it is perfectly obvious that you only need the filings... the myriad of eggs - there are too much eggs in this game...it's either a precaution for the player or there is still more to do with them, although I can't imagine what it could be...I guess it's a literal "easter-egg-hunt", hehe...for points, after all Edit: Give Jep the mattress AFTER he is healed and give him a coconut instead...because that way, you get 6 points (for the mattress) compared to losing 1 (the coconut), which amounts to 5. After Mina washed Jep she can use the soap herself (by using it with water) which causes the soap to disappear, so make sure you wash Jep first. Washing Jep is 3 points and washing Mina is 2 points, which means, again, we have 5 points in total. [both discoveries courtesy to the 2nd German walkthrough - the one without the pretty pictures] I think I'm beginning to see a pattern there. Check those things that give you "strange" amounts of points. Look at Nemo's burial: 1 point for producing a coffin 2 points for burial 2 points for taking the Giant oyster and opening it, to get the pearl inside = 5 points...again (picked-up items do not count, I guess) watching slides: 2 points for watching them 1 point for creating the projector 1 point for creating a battery 1 point for powering a lantern with the battery = 5 points See how that works (substracting the item-gathering preceding this)? I can't remember another example for this. Everything else is already matching up, I believe. The guardian robots work different: 10 for unique kill, 7 for bow kill and 3 for gun kill. We already figured out - or so it seems - how the non-inventory-based puzzles work. Seems pretty complete to me, hm... [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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| 19 APR 2005 at 9:29pm | |
silverblueIntergalactic JanitorPosts : 7 Joined: 3 APR 2005 Status : Online | Hi, Elfstone. I've checked the German Walkthru you pasted, but it is not 389 points at all. You can read the end more carefully, it show no 389 but just 386 ponits! That's the same as my sister Uranus :-* BTW, I found something interesting, I don't know whether it is a bug in the game or just a mistake in another walkthru: (can't link directly) You can go to www.gamefaqs.com and search the walkthru for this game, choose the first one (written by Helay Brimley) and check this carefully: In the section "V.5 THE NAUTILUS" It mentioned that Mina can defeat as many as 8 robots. But my sister can only find 7; Can't see the 8th one; I wonder how many of you have just seen the 8th one ??? Cuz my sister said that if there were really an 8th robot, she could made it to 395 points! Maybe the Maximum score you said! So Where is this 8th robot? |
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| 19 APR 2005 at 10:01pm | |
ElfstoneGuild MasterPosts : 5892 Joined: 4 NOV 2002 Status : Online | @silverblue Yes, indeed, I noticed that, too! I thought it must be a mistake, because I certainly never saw an 8th robot and especially not at the place he should be according to that walkthrough. Btw, I finished the game with 389 points (the German version has good voice-acting and flawless translation of in-game-text ), no matter what that German walkthrough said (which I didn't read, yet). So, if there is an 8th robot, I get another 7 + 2 points and I would have 398....hmm... Thanks to everyone here who helped me to reach that new highscore: tanstaafl (especially you, of course, because without your optimal solutions it would not be possible, although I suspect that uranus1997 had most of those points as well, just missing the salpeter-trick perhaps and those perfect solutions), silverblue and the creators of the German walkthrough (the other one on Gamepad). Now what...does uranus have something we didn't yet consider and if not what is really the highest score and how do you get it? I try for minimum points, soon. Maybe I return to a normal life without beating scores in the near future. @tanstaafl You can get 10 points for the N-tile-puzzle on the upper deck. Just place everything in the correct place and don't turn a piece more than you have to. The puzzles are not timed, but take account of your efficiency. Perhaps you can get 11 points there as well and maybe at the safe, too. Although I don't believe there is something better than your 8-step-solution. Btw, if I PM you my email address could you send me those programs you have written for the puzzles? I'd really like to see them. Getting a bit practice at something actually useful. : You just got to know me and from that impression you could think I'm crazy and beating highscores and detailed walkthroughs 24/7...but believe me, it's been some time (probably, ever, since Pandora Directive) that I was that fascinated by a game as to invest that many replies and lists and replays and whatnot...they just hit my nerve with this one! Edit: I breezed through the game yet another time (how many times, already?), really quick - just an hour - to get the lowest score, again. Last time I had 157, which is ridiculous, I made lots of mistakes. This time I got 132. From what I've read - but couldn't confirm - 125 is the min score. Quite close. Before you read what follows you might try it yourself. I haven't seen any attempts on this anywhere else. Breaking low scores isn't that attractive? A rough strategy for this (working on a more detailed walkthrough): * for Mina's recovery, eat the crabs and also the turtle eggs, because they come in pairs, which brings you up to 28 with 4 points. The rest is still to be figured out how to it efficiently, but I guess catching the fish is not a good idea. * from the start keep in mind that you need a battery to power the lantern for the diving suit...there are two options, the Volta battery and the Bequerel battery...I guess chosing the Volta is the better choice, because you won't need the Still nor will you need to visit the volcanic area (saving masses of points)...the only reason to go for the Bequerel battery would be if you plan on using Guncotton (because you might need something for the cannon, in order to shoot the guardian robot) and/or Dynamite, because you need Nitric acid for those and you will already have that if you created the Bequerel, but...why would you? there are just too much points on the way * healing Jep with fruits and pine kernels seems to do well, who needs coconuts? * since I went for the Volta and didn't need the still at all, I didn't need a 3rd fire, either...that oven in Granite House kept its cold! * some things are a given for any approach: Seal plus all the stuff coming with it, wicks for lighting up the tunnel in Granite House, iron filings to work in the gun * the pickaxe is essential, because you need the backdoor to be open...if you never leave the Granite House through the front door (rope ladder), the monkey will never appear and throw you out! * of course, the robots are shot with the gun, which is essential...that way you can kill 3 robots, there's still one left (you need 4) which is either the broken robot (10) or the cannon fodder robot (10 again, but it comes with more points)...I went for lake, wood, lightning robot, all gunned down, plus broken robot, while using the lightning arrester to pass the beam (5) * most important: the guardian robot on Nautilus must not be shot! time it right, then climb up, hack in the numbers like mad and click for your life to get into the sub...saves 3 points, duh * finish with the quiz, of course : Ok, that wasn't all that rough, actually. I'm a hopeless case. This game is possessing me. I hop into bed now before I write that walkthrough on the spot. [b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&&all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House |
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