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| 3 APR 2005 at 5:06pm |
| Deleted User | No-one killed hiphop.
But capitalism often kills originality.
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| 3 APR 2005 at 8:47pm |
AvakaJourneyman
Posts : 1437
Joined: 17 SEP 2003
Status : Online | I killed it. You can thank me later. LOL
Myst IV - Never finished it. Got frustrated with it.&&Myst V - Did not finish it either. Very disappointing.&&ATTWN - BORING!!! Never finished it. Kept falling asleep.&&Paradise - So far .... not so good&&Voyage - Not on my favorite list
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| 3 APR 2005 at 9:46pm |
| Deleted User | That'd be funny if I didn't like HipHop.
What is it about HipHop that gets so much vehemence?
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| 3 APR 2005 at 10:37pm |
KsandraSchattenjger
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Joined: 2 APR 2003
Status : Online | Graphics. It was the grafix wot dun it.
Never mind.
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| 3 APR 2005 at 10:42pm |
AndromusGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Avaka (3 APR 2005 8:46pm)
I killed it. You can thank me later. LOL
I'll thank you now! [smiley=bowdown.gif]
Originally Posted By SquarejawHero (3 APR 2005 9:46pm)
What is it about HipHop that gets so much vehemence?
I find it indistinguishable from rap, and I detest that too. And, frankly, it doesn't seem to take any particular vocal or instrumental skill to perform from the little I've heard of it. I really don't see the interest in someone chanting words to a repetitive soundtrack. Possibly it's also because I can't relate to the urban life the songs talk aboout -- I'm basically a country boy at heart, having lived my whole life in small towns or the country.
I can't fault it alone, though -- most kinds of popular music these days have the same problem for me, no matter what the genre.
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| 4 APR 2005 at 12:51am |
The Terror of the Wolf part 3Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Avaka (3 APR 2005 8:46pm)
I killed it. You can thank me later. LOL
*hands over a suitcase, containing a large amount of money*
That's half. You get the other half when you've killed western movies. Meet me under the bridge at midnight for it. Bring proof. Don't fail, or you can say bye-bye to Jessica Rabbit.
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| 4 APR 2005 at 2:28am |
ElfstoneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Wolfboy (4 APR 2005 12:51am)
Don't fail, or you can say bye-bye to Jessica Rabbit.
That reminds me... :'(
[b]playing[/b]: Destination Treasure Island (done in two sittings, but it's nice), Syberia (ho-hum), Dracula: Last Sanctuary (on hold)&&[b]reading[/b]: even more study papers&&[b]listening to[/b]: [url=http://www.last.fm/user/Brax82/]this and that[/url], plus [url=http://www.musicovery.com/]Musicovery[/url]&&[b]TV favorites[/b]: (currently) Pushing Daisies, Chuck, Journeyman (cancelled! grrr...), Heroes&& all-time) 24, Stargate SG1, X-Files, Lost, House
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| 4 APR 2005 at 2:42am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Location: US
Status : Offline | No one killed it; it was dead on arrival. As was/is Rap!
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 4 APR 2005 at 4:05am |
gailSchattenjger
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Status : Offline | DOA? It's still alive and well. I hear it everyday from my daughters' bedroom and it's not THAT bad.
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other screaming, "WOO HOO what a ride!!!
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| 4 APR 2005 at 4:53am |
AvakaJourneyman
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Status : Online | I haven't watched American Idol for a while now but when I did watch it a few times there wasn't any Hip Hop being performed by anyone. I wonder why.
Myst IV - Never finished it. Got frustrated with it.&&Myst V - Did not finish it either. Very disappointing.&&ATTWN - BORING!!! Never finished it. Kept falling asleep.&&Paradise - So far .... not so good&&Voyage - Not on my favorite list
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| 4 APR 2005 at 5:21am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Location: US
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By gail (4 APR 2005 4:05am)
DOA? It's still alive and well. I hear it everyday from my daughters' bedroom and it's not THAT bad.
DOA as art. Yes I know it's selling.........unfortunately.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 4 APR 2005 at 9:15am |
| Deleted User | Ignorace truly is bliss. I don't understand why it's always necessary to slag off hiphop - personally I fear because it's been subverted by "talent" like P. Diddy, 50 Cent et al. who regurgitate and prefer to spit rather than create decent music. There are TRUE musicians within the genre, like any other, that whilst they sometimes use samples, play with the artform from using real instruments on top of constructed beats coupled with true, witty polemic.
Try DJ Shadow, Ty, AIM and Jurassic 5, my fave peeps. They're all hip hop. And J5 eat up the stage live - the DJ preprogrammed some childrens toys and made a beat out of it, then a rythym, then a tune. He then slung on a deck around his neck and started scratching to it, live, as if it was a guitar. It was incredible. Most of the Grand Central releases are also great.
As someone who played instruments and performed on occasion for the better part of half my life, I know music when I hear it.
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| 4 APR 2005 at 11:06am |
Friday the 14thSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Avaka (3 APR 2005 8:46pm)
I killed it. You can thank me later. LOL
Will you marry me?
Originally Posted By Elfstone (4 APR 2005 2:28am)
That reminds me... :'(
Who killed Jessica Rabbit?
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| 4 APR 2005 at 3:09pm |
krkdnosePrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By SquarejawHero (4 APR 2005 9:15am)
As someone who played instruments and performed on occasion for the better part of half my life, I know music when I hear it.
Me too. And HipHop ain't it.
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| 4 APR 2005 at 4:09pm |
kuddlesPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Rap did what all new forms of music do - they become mainstream goop.
I will be honest and say that I don't listen to much of it, but that is more because I can't relate to it that much, being a pasty white boy from a small Christian town.
However, there are some artists I enjoy who clearly are in it for their love of the artform rather than the MTV lifestyle; most notably Buck 65, K-os, and The Roots.
And for the skill? Imagine a beat poet who has to keep up with the rythym moving twice as fast.
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| 4 APR 2005 at 4:46pm |
AvakaJourneyman
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Status : Online | I only hear it, HipHop/rap, when there's a boombox car next to me at a traffic light. Most of those cars are outfitted with huge speakers in the trunk. Sarcasm on Oh, what a joy /sarcasm off.
Soon they'll be deaf.
Myst IV - Never finished it. Got frustrated with it.&&Myst V - Did not finish it either. Very disappointing.&&ATTWN - BORING!!! Never finished it. Kept falling asleep.&&Paradise - So far .... not so good&&Voyage - Not on my favorite list
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| 4 APR 2005 at 8:31pm |
| Deleted User | ... like MY car? Actually, no I don't have a car like that, nor would I ever.
Hooray for stereotypes, huh... sure, they exist, but just because I enjoy NON-MAINSTREAM rap/hiphop doesn't mean I should be filled in as one of them.
I find some of the above comments just plain rude. Feel free to dislike something, no problem. Just don't insult me and my opinions whilst you do it. Hiphop IS music. Get over it.
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| 4 APR 2005 at 9:14pm |
anthonyJourneyman
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Status : Offline | Relax, SJH, no one has said anything about you or how loudly you play hip hip when you're driving.
Besides, how would anyone know the volume level at which your car stereo is set. You probably drive too fast for us to hear it; you know, like when you're going to, and coming from, all those drive-by shootings.
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| 4 APR 2005 at 9:59pm |
| Deleted User | Sorry.
Had a sense of humour bypass when my computer crashed and had to wipe my hardrive. Ended up reinstalling everything.
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| 5 APR 2005 at 12:22am |
jujigatameSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I've always considered rap and hiphop the same thing. I really have no idea where the distinction came from and tend to think it's bogus.
That being said, most of popular rap is absolute garbage. I think my tastes run a tad more mainstream than SJH's, but I am still unbelivably embarrassed by a lot of what shows up on MTV/BET and the radio. 50 Cent, imparticular, has one of the highest success to talent ratios of any musical artist ever.
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| 5 APR 2005 at 12:55am |
AvakaJourneyman
Posts : 1437
Joined: 17 SEP 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By SquarejawHero (4 APR 2005 8:30pm)
... like MY car? Actually, no I don't have a car like that, nor would I ever.
Hooray for stereotypes, huh... sure, they exist, but just because I enjoy NON-MAINSTREAM rap/hiphop doesn't mean I should be filled in as one of them.
I find some of the above comments just plain rude. Feel free to dislike something, no problem. Just don't insult me and my opinions whilst you do it. Hiphop IS music. Get over it.
Try to get over it. I, myself like electro-techno music every once in a while, also NON-MAINSTREAM, but I don't enjoy hiphop/rap. My favorite techno artist is Keith Tucker. Is that so wrong?
Myst IV - Never finished it. Got frustrated with it.&&Myst V - Did not finish it either. Very disappointing.&&ATTWN - BORING!!! Never finished it. Kept falling asleep.&&Paradise - So far .... not so good&&Voyage - Not on my favorite list
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| 5 APR 2005 at 5:02am |
AvakaJourneyman
Posts : 1437
Joined: 17 SEP 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By SquarejawHero (4 APR 2005 9:59pm)
Sorry.
Had a sense of humour bypass when my computer crashed and had to wipe my hardrive. Ended up reinstalling everything.
Ooh, sorry that happened to your hard drive. I'd be cranky too. OK, back to hiphop .... you can like what even you want, we don't mind, we just had opnions on the ''music'', not you. We still love YOU. [smiley=love.gif]
Myst IV - Never finished it. Got frustrated with it.&&Myst V - Did not finish it either. Very disappointing.&&ATTWN - BORING!!! Never finished it. Kept falling asleep.&&Paradise - So far .... not so good&&Voyage - Not on my favorite list
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| 5 APR 2005 at 5:23am |
SirDaveGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I've listen to pop music in all its forms and have played my fair share of piano and written a little music as well. Here's the thing about rap & hiphop: There are talented people involved in it (Eminem being one even though the talent is largely misdirected), but for a lot of hiphop and virtually all of rap, the dirty little secret is: It isn't music! Maybe mostly bad poetry & definitely a good beat, but not music.
If anyone has ever tried to sit down and write a song, the hardest thing to come up with is a tune, a melody- especially one that doesn't sound like something someone has written before. And then on top of that is the hook, either a catchy part of the melody, a lyrical turn of phrase, or both. Lyrics can be difficult also, but the melody is the biggest challenge. Nothing bugs me more than rappers talking about their music- it happens to be missing a major ingredient to be called music. Now, Eminem seems to be able to compose melodies- too bad he doesn't go with that more.
The future ain't what it used to be!
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| 5 APR 2005 at 5:36am |
The UnderminerIntergalactic Janitor
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Status : Online | Ah, but you're defining "music" as something necessarily containing a pleasing melody and harmony, but at its most basic it is merely "an artistic form of auditory communication incorporating instrumental or vocal tones in a structured and continuous manner".
Technically, Rap is music. Otherwise, what would we call atonal and/or non-melodic compositions of avant-garde 20th century composers?
Do Gregorian chants need a catchy hook? Pray, do tell!
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