| 28 DEC 2002 at 10:22pm |
sennebecGuild Master
Posts : 3334
Joined: 15 NOV 2004
Location: US, maine
Status : Offline | oh, yes... let's solve this mystery...
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| 28 DEC 2002 at 10:26pm |
friedmonkySpace Cadet
Posts : 178
Joined: 10 APR 2005
Status : Offline | If I am in fact one of the "bad people" referred to, whoever labelled me that way is VERY misinformed. It is a long story and I don't want to go over it again. Suffice it to say that if the moderating over there was done like it is here, I would still be able to post over there. Enough said from me...
Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention. I am still listed as a member over there (I still have never named it). You can go to my profile and from there you can view all the posts that I ever made there (except for the deleted one). You read and tell me if I am a "bad person" or not. Poor misinformed people...
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| 28 DEC 2002 at 10:36pm |
RevliskciPrivate Detective
Posts : 724
Joined: 9 NOV 2002
Status : Offline | Let me make a suggestion. This is supposed to be a forum about discussing adventure games.
Finding out who is and isn't bad belongs somewhere else like maybe the off topic forum.
Frankly, I come here to find discussion about adventure games and it would really start to annoy me if there were numerous topics about something else there.
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| 28 DEC 2002 at 10:57pm |
GamaholicPrivate Detective
Posts : 724
Joined: 3 NOV 2002
Status : Online | I still can't find another forum worth really reading. This one is full of intelligent, opinionated and articulate people...and I wouldn't have it any other way.
That which makes one happy is not a waste of time
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| 28 DEC 2002 at 10:58pm |
InlandAZGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I honestly couldn't imagine either you or mac being one of the offending members.
As I see it from following the complaint posts - There are a few new members, which are probably old lurkers, that don't appreciate the number of posts made by some. As if the number of posts had something to do with the content and value. Their position seems to be: We don't have Stars and assign titles such as Forum God to our members, therefore your forum is flawed, ours is a better system.
Imagine If the tables were turned and we complained to them – or posted vague complaints about the members of their forum (and I am a member of GB – and don’t see the problem here…)
Some of the best posts I've read have been right here at JA. The comments between folks like Rael, MichalN and DemiDemiDemi are wonderful. Belinda48 has a knack for stirring up interesting topics (and she also has a full time job keeping some of us *gulp* on topic).
The thread should probably be moved to the Off Topic forum…
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 1:41am |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Location: AR, Buenos Aires
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Revliskci (28 DEC 2002 10:36pm)
Frankly, I come here to find discussion about adventure games and it would really start to annoy me if there were numerous topics about something else there.
I think this is a matter that concerns everyone so I find this topic suitable for any forum. Of course, everyone can skip it.
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 1:52am |
eGoateeSpace Cadet
Posts : 157
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Revliskci (28 DEC 2002 10:36pm)
Let me make a suggestion. This is supposed to be a forum about discussing adventure games.
Finding out who is and isn't bad belongs somewhere else like maybe the off topic forum.
Frankly, I come here to find discussion about adventure games and it would really start to annoy me if there were numerous topics about something else there.
Well it's discouraged here to name an adventure site, the one run by the plump girls. And we know the initials of that site are filtered here or have been. They talk about adventures over there too so I figure this is on topic to your response. But as an extension of the filter idea let's try some other sites and possible candidates for no no initials. Not that the sites filter them of course, they need them for publicity. And I realize there may be legal reasons for doing it at JA. It's just to try to illustrate the principle, if a bit exaggerated.
Barbra Streisand website. GWB
John Ashcroft website. ACLU
Unreal Tournament website. Q3A
UCLA website. USC (or SC)
United Nations website. USA
There must be better examples but I tried
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 2:34am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By eGoatee (29 DEC 2002 1:51am)
And I realize there may be legal reasons for doing it at JA.
Personally I'm against filters in general (except for spam filters that is!). It's kind of like "war on drugs"... if you can't win a war, it's better not to fight it But, given the history (which is not pretty), I understand why the filter on this forum is here and why it filters what it filters.
I forgot my sig.
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 2:39am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By InlandAZ (28 DEC 2002 10:57pm)
Their position seems to be: We don't have Stars and assign titles such as Forum God to our members, therefore your forum is flawed, ours is a better system.
Of course GB has member numbers - and while everyone can be a Forum God here, not nearly everyone can have a member # under 100 at GB
Some of the best posts I've read have been right here at JA. The comments between folks like Rael, MichalN and DemiDemiDemi are wonderful.
I think dimidimidimi is going to kill you for mangling his nick like that And hey, don't forget InlandAZ, I always get a kick out of his posts
I forgot my sig.
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 2:59am |
InlandAZGuild Master
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Status : Offline | I think dimidimidimi is going to kill you for mangling his nick like that And hey, don't forget InlandAZ, I always get a kick out of his posts
I sure hope he does I enjoy his posts as well - and hope he's back soon.
Interesting comment about the GB member numbers - and oh so true. On the other hand, while they don't post stars and titles - they do post the number of posts (some of which are in the many of thousands...)
I sure hope they're not offended by being labeled as Blowhards (by this friendly guy...)
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 3:43am |
BelindaSchattenjger
Posts : 2093
Joined: 21 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Ahh......the hell with it........we're ALL bad people here.......now we all can be sent to our beds without any dinner.........ha ha ha
I'll tell you what......to these 'certain discrimitating' posters here........these people here at this forum are the nicest and kindest and funniest people I know. When I am down about something, there is always someone here that can make me laugh (especially Inland). And thru hard times I have now, there are people here too that make it a little easier for me........
Now.......I am kinda upset right now.....I feel this as a home to me, and I don't appreciate others coming in here and stirring up trouble and downgrading this forum! So there......................................... When I think of some more things to say, I will........ >
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 3:49am |
BelindaSchattenjger
Posts : 2093
Joined: 21 OCT 2002
Status : Online | And another thing.........alot of the people here actually do care for one another........I know this.....Red, SirDave, Sennebec, medicro, michal, rael, inland, aya......and many others. And ........ how do you suppose you're suppose to get to know one another(s) if you don't post alot........?? I better stop here for awhile......I am alittle hot under the collar.......I can't even think right......
I will defend the 'family & friends' I have here. And dimi better hurry and get his butt back here too.......
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 4:09am |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By InlandAZ (29 DEC 2002 2:59am)
I sure hope he does I enjoy his posts as well - and hope he's back soon.
Hmm, I guess that didn't come out too clear... What I meant to say was "And don't forget the InlandAZ guy, I always get a kick out of his posts" Sometimes I really hate English for being such an ambiguous language >
I forgot my sig.
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 12:41pm |
sennebecGuild Master
Posts : 3334
Joined: 15 NOV 2004
Location: US, maine
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Janelle (29 DEC 2002 7:07am)
STages Of LIFE
Fifties. Partner decides it is time to "go West", since the kids are off the "hands". Keep house and computer and get into more Adventure Games
Sixties? Buy EVERY Adventure game you never had ..... get bored with some, it IS ONLY money.
... lookin' forward to it...
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 5:26pm |
mszvPrivate Detective
Posts : 751
Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | Hi all,
Just a quick note (may post more later), but I thought I'd talk a bit about the Just Adventure forum and the Gameboomers forum. I think they are both good. Just Adventure focuses more on game discussions. The arguments can get a bit heated at time, but the discussions are generally of a passionate, game loving nature. I must admit, sometimes the discussions get a bit too heated for me, but I am getting used to them.
Gameboomers has it's share of game discussions, but they focus more on people sharing game information, as well as people's personal reactions to games. They also have an active and extensive hints and tips section - people are always eager to give you some game tips, or send you a game save, if you need one, even on the most obscure game. The Just Adventure Help section wasn't as good at first. This in understandable as the forum is just starting. I think it is getting better.
As for moderation, well, I submit to you that all forums are moderated, whether you plan them to be moderated or not. Gameboomers is actively moderated. They are rather picky (some may say prudish) about language, and they focus on "getting along". There's also a lot of personal encouragement for posting. They also aren't really about political or religious discussions. Just Adventure has those automatic filters (I think). It's perhaps not as gushy a site, but it's friendly. As I said before, sometimes the discussions get a bit too heated for me at Just Adventure, but, on the plus side, it's possible to be more direct in your criticism of stuff. I think the demographics of the people who post at JA might be a bit younger (Gameboomers was started by "baby boomers", but I'm not sure.
On the moderation part, if a site is not actively moderated, the people who post the most, end up being the "de facto" moderators, and setting the tone for the site. I'm not saying that this is bad or good, I'm just saying that all sites have some form of moderation, and some setting of tone or ambience.
Personally, I started out at gameboomers. I love gameboomers, but I'm also getting very fond of Just Adventure. I'm also going to check out the AdventureGamers forum. I don't think anyone has to restrict themselves to one forum. On Gameboomers, the people from Just Adventure (the site not the forum) occasionally post, and some of the Just Adventure reviewers are Gameboomer people. I also notice some people (the ones who use the same nickname) post at both sites. It's not a contest. Gameboomers people were also mentioned in Jeff Strand's last two columns - we liked that!
There was also a comment that people should be able "say what they want". Well, all of these boards are privately owned. I never forget that, whenever I post at any forum. We are here because the owners of a forum set up a place for people to post. They can admit who they will and delete whatever posts they want.
All for now.
Regards, mszv
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 6:31pm |
friedmonkySpace Cadet
Posts : 178
Joined: 10 APR 2005
Status : Offline | Very well said mszv! They do both have their pluses and minuses. I guess I am just still a little bitter but, I'll get over it. This board is helping me do that. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 10:07pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
Posts : 7058
Joined: 14 SEP 2003
Status : Online | Originally Posted By mszv (29 DEC 2002 5:25pm)
As for moderation, well, I submit to you that all forums are moderated, whether you plan them to be moderated or not. Gameboomers is actively moderated. They are rather picky (some may say prudish) about language, and they focus on "getting along". There's also a lot of personal encouragement for posting. They also aren't really about political or religious discussions. Just Adventure has those automatic filters (I think).
Yes, YaBB has "automatic" filters, a constant source of amusement and frustration. The big difference between a live moderator and a filter is that a filter can be easily circumvented but it will never take that personally
I think the demographics of the people who post at JA might be a bit younger (Gameboomers was started by "baby boomers", but I'm not sure.
I always wonder about what the demographics really are, but it's impossible to find out. Most members seem to be pretty secretive about their age.
On the moderation part, if a site is not actively moderated, the people who post the most, end up being the "de facto" moderators, and setting the tone for the site.
That's true, but I think there's still a difference between telling "what you said is utter nonsense" to someone who has just high post count and to someone who can delete your posts and/or kick you out.
There was also a comment that people should be able "say what they want".
Sure, but they'll be able to say certain things only once
I forgot my sig.
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 10:59pm |
mszvPrivate Detective
Posts : 751
Joined: 12 OCT 2002
Status : Online | OK, here's part 2 of my post. I'll try to be both as nice as I can, and as specific, since that is the request.
I have a perception that some of our regulars are sometimes too argumentative. Since you have requested names, my perception is that it is MichalN and Rael, and sometimes Dimi and Aya_Brea. If I thought it was "just me" I probably would not say anything, but, from other posts, I see that I am not the only person who shares the opinion that the board can be too argumentative and (sometimes) too mean. My perception is that sometimes you make a "big production" out of everything, argue just to argue, and attempt to have "the last word". Most of the time, it appears to me that you are arguing with each other, but sometimes the argumentive nature of your posts seems to extend to other people. I'm sorry if you want me to point out specific threads and posts, I can't do that - this is the best I can do. I admit I cut Dimi a bit more slack than the rest of you, sorry - he seems so impassioned about adventure games and so willing to do something (anything!) to make adventure games more viable. From his last posts, he also appears to genuinely want the board to be more welcoming to newbies. I do try to cut you all some slack because you appear to be so young, and I realize that the young are impassioned and don't have the same attitudes as a person like myself who is (charitably) middle-aged.
Also, it appears to me that the same people (mostly MichalN and Rael, sometimes Aya_Brea and Dimi) use the posts to talk to each other - it's the same people back and forth all through a thread. I realize that anyone can jump in, but when you do that I often feel that other people aren't wanted - I feel like I have to "shout to be heard". Again, if it was just my perception, I would think "OK, that's how this board is, you don't have to post here", but, from the remarks of others, I think some others may have this perception too.
As I remarked before, this board is lightly moderated. This means that the people who post all the time set the tone for the board. (Editorial here, Just Adventure owners of the board, there is no such thing as an "unmoderated board", either you do the moderating yourself or the regulars do if for you). I had hoped that, given that the regulars posted all the time, they would make an attempt to pull in other people - I don't know, maybe by not posting so much in each thread, by welcoming each new person who posts (don't know, maybe they do), and by, I don't know, attempting to draw people out without necessarily disagreeing with them all the time, and also not correcting them. Sometimes I feel that I'm in the middle of debate class. I also feel if I get one little thing wrong, someone is going to jump all over me. Again, if it was just my perception, I'd tell myself "OK, you are the only one with a problem, go away", but, given the other posts I've read, there are some people who seem to share the same perception as me.
From what I read in this thread, and in other threads, some people are saying that the Just Adventure Forum should be like Gameboomers. Personally, I don't think that. At least I think I don't - I do find myself wishing that the regulars could be, oh, I don't know just a little kinder, and I wish they would post less, only one or two times in each individual thread. I don't think that makes me wish you would be more like the people at Gameboomers, but maybe it does.
I hope that was clear enough.
All for now.
Regards, mszv
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 11:19pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
Posts : 7277
Joined: 16 OCT 2002
Status : Offline | hmmm i didn't want to take part but i have to say this, not in my defence but as common knowledge...
what do you mean "not disagreeing and not correcting"? do you mean that whoever's new can come up and say anything he/she wants... if i'm new then can i post a thread about having the unreleased Larry 4 in my hands and everyone should agree with me? what is this, group therapy or smth? this is a DISCUSSION board, and discussion means speaking your own mind... if i wrongly correct someone, that someone (or anyone else) is most welcome to correct me back... there's no monarchy here... everyone has the same say as everyone else... but, i repeat, it's DISCUSSION
i have talked about the other stuff on other threads and i won't repeat myself... i'll only invite you (again) to check the aforementioned names' previous posts to see how much they have offered to this forum, and i mean a lot more than stating their Top games and stuff like that
oh and btw moderation should mean keeping things civilized (and this forum is even more than that) and not policing or enforcing censorship just because some ppl (not meaning you) have personal issues
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 11:31pm |
mszvPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Well, that is my perception. I posted because MichalN and Rael both asked me to name names, and clarify what they thought I was hinting about, and so I did. I tried to be as clear as I could about the situation, but, of course, it's hard to be completely clear on anyting.
Others may not share my perception of what is going on.
Regards, mszv
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| 29 DEC 2002 at 11:58pm |
sennebecGuild Master
Posts : 3334
Joined: 15 NOV 2004
Location: US, maine
Status : Offline | i share aya's perception...
mszv, the folks you mentioned (michal, rael, aya and dimi) are a wealth of information, gaming and otherwise.
not only have i been thoroughly entertained with their back-and-forth bantering, i have also had the privilege of increasing my knowledge of computers ten fold...
listen carefully... weed out what doesn't interest you...
this forum is for everybody to talk about many things...
ENJOY...
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| 30 DEC 2002 at 12:11am |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | thank you senne dear! :-* it's good to see that there are also ppl who focus on the positive and are able to enjoy themselves instead of endlessly trying to find the slightest of reasons to grumble (although i knew that about you without having to read your post! )... but the latter can be found everywhere in life, so it's no surprise they're also found here
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 30 DEC 2002 at 12:23am |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | btw, now that it's official, do you think i should change my avatar to something like this:
[img]http://users.panafonet.gr/pantex/images/bad.JPG[/img]
You Know I'm Bad-I'm Bad-You Know It, Come On
You have gotten the attention of the mysterious lady. She turns to face you. Her face is devoid of any flesh. You are frozen with horror as she begins ripping your body into a bloody mess.
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| 30 DEC 2002 at 12:25am |
Agustín CordesGuild Master
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Joined: 23 OCT 2002
Location: AR, Buenos Aires
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By mszv (29 DEC 2002 10:59pm)
If I thought it was "just me" I probably would not say anything, but, from other posts, I see that I am not the only person who shares the opinion that the board can be too argumentative and (sometimes) too mean.
What I see here is that some people feels "intimidated" by members with a lot of posts, something I find quite silly. I'm sure that those you named (including myself) wouldn't catch that much attention if they had less posts. I think this the "perception" you are talking about.
My perception is that sometimes you make a "big production" out of everything, argue just to argue, and attempt to have "the last word".
I will only speak for me here. I might want to have "the last word" sometimes if I feel I'm right in the discussion at hand but people has proven me wrong and I gave them reason. I'm not stubborn (or at least I really try not to).
Regarding the arguing... well, this is a forum, not an IRC room. I see no problem with that.
I do try to cut you all some slack because you appear to be so young, and I realize that the young are impassioned and don't have the same attitudes as a person like myself who is (charitably) middle-aged.
Well, I've seen grown up people behaving like childs here (if that's what you mean) - I think that's not really relevant.
I realize that anyone can jump in, but when you do that I often feel that other people aren't wanted - I feel like I have to "shout to be heard".
Absolutely not - I seriously disagree with you there.
I had hoped that, given that the regulars posted all the time, they would make an attempt to pull in other people - I don't know, maybe by not posting so much in each thread...
Why should I refrain from saying something I want to say?
...by welcoming each new person who posts (don't know, maybe they do)
Take a look around the forum (all the forums) - yes, we do. I speak for all here.
...and by, I don't know, attempting to draw people out without necessarily disagreeing with them all the time, and also not correcting them.
I agree with Aya here.
See? That was more easier than hinting at things.
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