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| 17 DEC 2004 at 7:34pm |
bdeckedSchattenjger
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Status : Online | That's an interesting poll question generally, not just for Other Worlds...
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 7:40pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Loved it, gfx don't bother me.
But you knew that already
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 7:48pm |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I almost feel ashamed to pick the 3rd option, yet it is the whole reason - I was also quite annoyed with the music, the hotspots and the overall style - I played it for a while, but it didn't keep my attention (too high a 'let's go playing again'-threshhold).
I think everybody is in their own right to not play a game because of the graphics - sure, graphics don't make a game, but they are part of any game.
Though, again, it wasn't just the graphics, but more the overall style that didn't appeal to me.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 8:27pm |
| Deleted User | Oh this is nice, so Aya and I can solve our dispute about OW in a "democratic" way...
Who else thinks that A is too high a rate for OW because it should get some minus points for the bad graphics?
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 8:34pm |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Not bad,Ogre,just different.And you do get spells thrown in.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 8:34pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ogre (17 DEC 2004 8:27pm)
Oh this is nice, so Aya and I can solve our dispute about OW in a "democratic" way...
Who else thinks that A is too high a rate for OW because it should get some minus points for the bad graphics?
we're not gonna solve any dispute, cause there's nothing to be solved! it's our opinions, and no one is right or wrong! i just wanted to see where others stand!
btw, parrot, the music counts too, since we're talking about the overall "packaging", it was just not mentioned... so i guess your choice covers it
and i agree with avatar, that this applies to everything, but ow was the game in question!
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 8:35pm |
ShanyGuild Master
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Status : Online | I voted for the 'graphics bothered me', but not in a way that it made me want to stop playing.
The graphics bothered me a little when there were pixel hunting problems, when I was confused with the inconsistent character design, and at one point where I found Natalia to look completely wrong.
But that's it. I understand that graphics were not the main issue of the game, and that it was about plot, puzzles and characters. So many people complain about games where the main focus seems to be about how great the graphics are yet there is no content, and here comes a game that does the opposite and there is complaining again...
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 8:36pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Shany (17 DEC 2004 8:34pm)
and there is complaining again...
there will always be complaining, no matter what! it's a law of nature!
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 8:58pm |
Pastor DisasterJourneyman
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Status : Online | Not to P.O. Aya, but I must confess the gfx made me stop pretty much at the beginning. Maybe I'm not quite the avid AGer that I'd like to be...
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 9:10pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Pastor_Disaster (17 DEC 2004 8:57pm)
Not to P.O. Aya, but I must confess the gfx made me stop pretty much at the beginning. Maybe I'm not quite the avid AGer that I'd like to be...
what's P.O.? and this poll has nothing to do with me... i believe that ow is one of the best advs of 2004, and that gfx play a secondary role, period... this is not gonna change my views... this is just out of curiosity on how many ppl share those views
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 9:20pm |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Aya (17 DEC 2004 9:09pm)
gfx play a secondary role, period...
Care to elaborate?
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 9:24pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | What needs to be elaborated on Parrot.
Superb graphics although nice are not the be all and end all of adventure gaming.
If the story, puzzles etc are of significant quality it's easy to enjoy a game with sub-par graphics.
The gameplay is the important factor in games not the graphics.
Hence the reason most of us enjoy re-playing all the old games. You hardly play Sam and Max or King's Quest for the state of the art graphics.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 9:30pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By The Parrot (17 DEC 2004 9:20pm)
Care to elaborate?
what lucien said, more or less... since i typed all that twice already, you can read the "first person games" thread here, and the other worlds thread in the inventory forum for more elaboration!
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 9:46pm |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Lucien21 (17 DEC 2004 9:24pm)
What needs to be elaborated on Parrot.
Superb graphics although nice are not the be all and end all of adventure gaming.
If the story, puzzles etc are of significant quality it's easy to enjoy a game with sub-par graphics.
The gameplay is the important factor in games not the graphics.
Hence the reason most of us enjoy re-playing all the old games. You hardly play Sam and Max or King's Quest for the state of the art graphics.
But, graphics are an important part of 'gameplay'. I think it isn't fair to say that graphics play "a secundary role, period".
In fact, you say "If the story, puzzles etc are of significant quality" - that are a lot of things opposing "graphics"! You could easily say plot plays a secundary role, because "if the puzzles, graphics, character interaction, realism are of sugnificant quality" you won't notice, or that puzzles play a secundary role, as long as "story and graphics etc. are good enough". It's not a fair comparison.
A game doesn't stand or fall with it's graphics, but that goes for most other factors that make a game - gameplay is IMO just a term used for the combinations of all those factors; bad graphics can damage the gameplay (like with me in OW), but so can bad puzzles (Syberia II for me), bad story (Myst IV, for me).
So, in the end, I strongly disagree that "graphics play a secundary role, period", as "everthing else" quickly leads to a secundary role for any game feature.
And there is quite a difference between low grade graphics as in the oldies and the graphical quality of OW.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:00pm |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | If graphics bother you,you are going to miss out on a hell of a lot of oldies but goodies.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:05pm |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Anne, I felt a bit like that was aimed at me - like I said, there is a difference between old graphics and bad graphics. Discworld I has extremely old graphics, but they look gorgeous. It's not that old games have graphcis that aren't as good as todays.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:11pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | Well we will agree to disagree then.
Take a crap game and add good graphics doesn't improve the gamplay (e.g Doom III ) Graphics are not part of gamplay they are the setting in which the gameplay takes place.
After all games like Civilisation, Simcity and Championship Manager have all sold on the back of gameplay and they all have crappy graphics.
Like I said on the Inventory website it's like the supermodel stereotype. Looks fantastic on the outside, but usually on the inside it's rather shallow and dim.
Now most guys would fall over themselves for a night with one of them, but you would soon grow bored.
Likewise games with nothing but pretty graphics usually sell well as status symbols to show your mates, but they usually turn out to be vapid affairs.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:19pm |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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Status : Online | So you define graphics quality by how advanced it is? Isn't that a bit odd? Civilisation had graphics that were good enough, Doom III has shˇtty graphics, IMO.
Graphics just are a part of a game, and there is a difference between "frrrezowwww" pixel shaders and a good style.
You are again putting it on 'graphics don't make a game', Something I never said: I said graphics are a part of a game.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:23pm |
Lucien21Guild Master
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Status : Offline | But as you were specifically saying you stopped playing because of the graphics.
Doesn't that in itself indicate that you think graphics make the game, because by implication if Other Worlds had better graphics you would still be playing
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:26pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | everything is part of a game... the question is, how important is that part... gfx is not important enough to make me stop playing a game, when all the other elements are there
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:26pm |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Parrot,I was speaking to you.I think we should remember that this game was made by Alkis on a low budget.We downloaded it for free.I am in the middle of it,it is driving me mad.The characters are not developed
the music isn`t good,the graphics are iffy.But it has gripped me.I am driven to finish it.It has the X Factor.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:35pm |
Jeroen StoutSchattenjger
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Status : Online | Most certainly, yes. But if a game has the most awful AI, or the most awful plot, I don't feel the urge to play on, unless I just happened to pay a lot of money for it.
And I do want to note that I thought the graphics to be poor, not technically unadvanced. I enjoyed Discworld whilst that had the same low resolution, for instance. I don't think technical unadvancedness is really a just reason for not liking a game, as you can make great graphics without them being advanced. But for instance having a (LEAD) character in a game who has a lower resolution as the backgrounds is just... not nice! I thougth it all to be not nicely done, which in combination with the music and the style of game I had seen so far lead to me quitting.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:45pm |
| Deleted User | Seems like the debate is continuing here now...
you people should read the thread in the inventory forum: http://www.theinventory.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=463
The whole package makes the game. As people stated and I fully agree, good graphics don't make a good game. But in my opinion graphics of a recently released game that doesn't even macht game graphics from the late 80ies can ruin a game. Comparisons like with the models are superficial: good looks but dumb as straw, well might enjoy her for a night - on the other hand bad looks and dumb as straw I certainly won't... bad looks and brains - nice company maybe a good friend later, good looks and brains - perfect girlfriend - its as simple as that. And if we continue this charade, the same counts for games but in this case its not just bad it looks just ugly so wasting time with it when there is so much more out there to find and explore... well u get the picture.
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| 17 DEC 2004 at 10:53pm |
AyaGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Offline | like ogre said, everyone should read the thread in the inventory forums, since there's lots of things said there and lots of points made, it would be tiring to repeat over and over (i for once am tired of typing! and i know qrious is tired of reading!!! )
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